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10/27/2015 5:15 pm  #41


Re: State Budget Impasse

Rongone wrote:

Hey just because there is a budget crisis, that doesn't mean you can't go on break for a couple of weeks.

From Pennlive:


State senators will bug out for two weeks starting Wednesday - should they stay and get a #PABudget deal?

If you weren't paying attention to the Pennsylvania Cable Network this Tuesday afternoon as the state Senate went through its paces, then you probably missed this one:

As is so often is the case, the 50-member chamber adopted a resolution authorizing it to go into a recess from voting sessions -- this time from Oct. 28 until Nov. 16.

In general, these votes tend to be pretty pro forma exercises and are passed with nary the bat of an eyelash.

But with the state budget nearly four months late, minority Democrats offered an amendment that would have kept the chamber continuously in session during that two-week window.

It didn't happen. The motion was tabled. And the recess resolution, as it's known, was approved along party lines Tuesday afternoon.

"It's extremely disappointing that something is more important in our home districts instead of trying to reach an agreement on the budget," said Sen. Art Haywood, D-Philadelphia, who led the unsuccessful push.

This would be where we pause to point that rank-and-file lawmakers have exactly zero role in budget negotiations. Those will continue regardless of whether the Senate is in session or not.

It's an untidy truth, but a truth nonetheless.

That's because such agreements are negotiated between, maybe, six or eight senior legislative leaders and the administration. When there's a deal, rank-and-file lawmakers review the legislation and put up votes. 

Until or unless that happens, there's precious little for backbenchers to do except hoover up per-diem payments and wait for something to happen.

And, right now, legislative leaders aren't even in engaged in face-to-face talks with Gov. Tom Wolf.

With the four caucuses borrowing money to stay afloat, sending those not essential to the process home until they're needed seems like pretty sound fiscal stewardship, some have argued.

A per-diem, by the way, runs around $150 a day. Multiply that by 49 senators (there's one vacancy), and then by 14 days, and you get $102,000 or thereabouts (depending on who takes them). 

We'll add that the Senate just borrowed $9 million from PNC Bank to stay afloat until the impasse ends.

The origination fee on the loan will run $25,000, or a little less than a quarter of what's needed to pay lawmakers' food and hotel bills during that same time period.

But that's not the way Haywood sees it.

Keeping backbenchers in town would "pressure" majority Republican legislative leaders into cutting a deal with the Democratic Wolf administration, he argued.

"Some Republican senators said to me, if I have to stay here that long, my wife is going to kill me," he said. "That's pressure to get it done. A number of senators have businesses in home districts have to operate. Some have small children. That's pressure to get it done."

Haywood said he's willing to skip per diems if it means getting a budget done.

But, let's face it, not all his colleagues may be so magnanimous

Jennifer Kocher, a spokeswoman for Senate Republicans, said rank-and-filers are free to hang around Harrisburg if they want to - a voting session (where there would likely be nothing to vote on in any case) isn't required for that.

"Many of our members have indicated that they have faith in our leadership to perform negotiations," she said. "They are in district working with schools and social service agencies that are struggling with gubernatorial vetoes because of their funding plans."

What do you think?

 
This is what I don't get.  Our legislature's job consists of being on vacation, with intermittent periods of a few days of work here and there, and we pay them 6 figure salaries, full benefits and pensions.  I'm no fan of Tom Wolf, but the legislature needs to take their job seriously.  And obviously one big spending cut should be reducing the legislature to part time pay, they should be paid about half of what their average constituent makes, with no pension or benefits, and also reducing the number of legislators by at least half.

Last edited by The Man (10/27/2015 5:16 pm)

 

10/27/2015 8:17 pm  #42


Re: State Budget Impasse

The Pennsylvania Constitution should be amended to state that, in the absence of a budget, funding and taxes will continue at their present levels until such time as a new budget is passed.

In other words, at this time we would continue to operate under the 2014 budget.


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11/01/2015 11:13 am  #43


Re: State Budget Impasse

Have any of these legislators figured out who is going to pay the interest and fees for all the loans the school districts and some service agencies are being forced to take out to keep operating?  Is this yet another burden to be dumped onto taxpayers?
 

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11/01/2015 11:22 am  #44


Re: State Budget Impasse

flowergirl wrote:

Have any of these legislators figured out who is going to pay the interest and fees for all the loans the school districts and some service agencies are being forced to take out to keep operating?  Is this yet another burden to be dumped onto taxpayers?
 

 
The taxpayers are going to pay it of course, who else? That's why the legislature wanted a stop-gap budget, but Wolf said no, multiple times.

 

11/01/2015 1:28 pm  #45


Re: State Budget Impasse

Remember a few years ago, after our unglorious legislators granted themselves a pay raise in the middle of the night?  And how taxpayers, many also knowm as voters, created such an uproar that many of the legislators were booted from office?  We need another such vote-the-bastards-out campaign and take Wolf with them.

 

11/01/2015 5:29 pm  #46


Re: State Budget Impasse

flowergirl wrote:

Remember a few years ago, after our unglorious legislators granted themselves a pay raise in the middle of the night?  And how taxpayers, many also knowm as voters, created such an uproar that many of the legislators were booted from office?  We need another such vote-the-bastards-out campaign and take Wolf with them.

 
Absolutely.  I couldn't agree more!

 

11/02/2015 7:44 am  #47


Re: State Budget Impasse

flowergirl wrote:

Remember a few years ago, after our unglorious legislators granted themselves a pay raise in the middle of the night?  And how taxpayers, many also knowm as voters, created such an uproar that many of the legislators were booted from office?  We need another such vote-the-bastards-out campaign and take Wolf with them.

 
The problem is that, if we do not start paying more attention to the real issues of our day, and change our own criteria, voting the bastards out will simply result in new bastards.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

11/22/2015 2:52 pm  #48


Re: State Budget Impasse

Just when you thought a budget was going to get passed, albeit 5 months late, the state legislators found something else they thought they agreed upon, but really didn't. Oh well . . . Thanksgiving Holiday coming up . . . Time for our elected legislators to take some more time off.


Property tax plan collapses, imperiling Pa. budget

Angela Couloumbis, Inquirer Harrisburg Bureau

Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2015, 2:13 PM


HARRISBURG - A historic plan to reduce property taxes statewide has all but collapsed, imperiling along with it the tentative budget deal Gov. Wolf and the Republican-led legislature declared this month, according to multiple officials familiar with the negotiations.

Without the property tax reduction - a key plank in the $30 billion state spending plan - "the whole agreement fails," said one high-ranking Democratic official speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Republicans acknowledged the new hurdle but strove to paint less of a doomsday scenario.

"We are going to continue to work on the other segments of the agreement and hopefully bring it to closure," said Drew Crompton, the Senate's top Republican lawyer.

The central piece of the budget framework outlined earlier this month by Wolf and GOP leaders had called for a hike in the state sales tax from 6 percent to 7.25 percent. The $2 billion it would generate was expected to boost school funding and at the same time pay for a reduction in property taxes - which have long been the the primary funding source for districts.

In a letter to his Democratic colleagues on Saturday, House Minority Leader Frank Dermody (D., Allegheny) said that Republican leaders told Wolf late in the week that they could not muster the votes among their members to pass the property tax plan.

"By failing to deliver the votes for the framework they agreed to, the Republican leaders would effectively kill the property tax relief envisioned as part of the framework," the letter said.

Dermody wrote that he and other Democrats were "assessing our options and examining whether there are any acceptable alternative revenue sources to balance the budget and provide property tax relief."

Wolf's spokesman, Jeff Sheridan, declined to comment. The governor is scheduled to speak Monday at the monthly press club luncheon in Harrisburg, and is expected to address the issue.

The setback marked a stunning turn in a contentious budget season that finally looked as if it had been settled. After a five-month impasse that left schools, nonprofits and other agencies relying on loans and credit to stay afloat, the two sides hailed what they said would be a historic agreement to help fund schools and begin to move away from the longterm reliance on property taxes.

The deal also called for a plan to rein in the rapidly-rising cost of public employee pensions and raise new revenue through privatizing the sale of wine of hard liquor.

But Wolf and the Republicans have been slow to release details, saying only that they had hoped to finalize the deal and enact the budget early next month.

Several legislative officials said one alternative now being examined closely as a way to raise new money is expanding the list of items that would be subject to the sales tax. As it stands now, there are dozens of exemptions to the sales tax.

But that will not necessarily appease the Democratic Wolf, who campaigned on providing significant property tax relief and made it a central theme of his budget address. In the budget he introduced earlier this year, the governor had proposed hiking both the sales and income taxes to boost funding for public schools as well as lower property taxes statewide.

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11/22/2015 8:26 pm  #49


Re: State Budget Impasse

Property tax 'relief' wasn't/isn't going to happen anyway.  It is an Ed Rendell scam all over again.  But in the make believe world where we actually get property tax relief, the formula is simple, everyone gets the same percentage off of their school property tax bill.  I don't know why there's even an argument over that?

 

11/23/2015 8:22 am  #50


Re: State Budget Impasse

On the up side, we got emergency funding for office supplies.

At least when paper and ink cartriges are at risk, our representatives are willing to step up and do the right thing.

I feel so much better.


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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