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10/13/2015 5:11 am  #1


Paul Ryan, Secret Lefty

Here's one that has me scratching my head. There are people, right here, on this planet, who worry that conservative Congressman Paul Ryan isn't conservative enough to be Speaker of the House. One of his "crimes", having interest in forging a bipartisan budget deal. Yes, Paul is one of those heretics who acknowledges that the democratic party exists, and that, from time to time. you may have to work with your fellow Americans across the isle in order to get something done. (Gasp)

But, sheesh, this is Paul Ryan. Scence denier, abortion opponent, Privatizer of Medicare, cutter of medicaid dollars to the poor, war hawkish, Paul Ryan. What more could they want?





Latest Unease on Right: Ryan Is Too Far Left
By JENNIFER STEINHAUER OCT. 12, 2015

WASHINGTON — Far-right media figures, relatively small in number but potent in their influence, have embarked on a furious Internet expedition to cover Representative Paul D. Ryan in political silt.

In 2012 when Mitt Romney picked Mr. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, as his running mate, the concern among some in their party was that Mr. Ryan was too conservative, particularly when it came to overhauling social programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

Now, as he agonizes over whether to answer the appeal of his colleagues to become their next speaker, the far right is trotting out a fresh concern: Mr. Ryan is too far left.


He is being criticized on issues ranging from a 2008 vote to bail out large banks to his longstanding interest in immigration reform to his work on a bipartisan budget measure. On Sunday night, the Drudge Report — a prime driver of conservative commentary — dedicated separate headlines to bashing Mr. Ryan on policy positions. 

Even a self-congratulatory book outlining how Mr. Ryan and two other Republican House leaders drafted Tea Party candidates to help them take over the House in 2010 — “Young Guns” — is being recast by some as a manual of how to be traitorous to conservatism.

“Tryouts for speaker continue,” Phyllis Schlafly, founder and chairwoman of the conservative Eagle Forum, said in a statement Friday, when Mr. Ryan was escaping Capitol Hill for the week. “The kingmakers are so desperate for someone to carry their liberal priorities that they are trying to force Congressman Paul Ryan into a job he does not want.”

The influence of conservative websites has enraged members who were once considered right of center themselves, and who are desperately trying to keep Mr. Ryan from getting spooked.

“Anyone who attacks Paul Ryan as being insufficiently conservative is either woefully misinformed or maliciously destructive,” said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma. “Paul Ryan has played a major role in advancing the conservative cause and creating the Republican House majority. His critics are not true conservatives. They are radical populists who neither understand nor accept the institutions, procedures and traditions that are the basis of constitutional governance.”

To some degree, the attacks on Mr. Ryan, so far an unwilling draft pick by his colleagues to replace Speaker John A. Boehner, reflect criticism of flashes of pragmatism by Mr. Ryan, the architect of his party’s conservative budget dogma.

Since the 2012 general election defeat, Mr. Ryan has indeed become more of a consensus builder and leader in the House, even as he has maintained his ideological tilt. He has largely voted for bills to keep the government operating and the debts paid when many other Republicans vote against them these days.

He was half the brain on a 2013 compromise with Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington, to funnel more money to the government and avert two years of budget brinkmanship, even though two years earlier, he had refused to sit on the original committee that tried and failed to find a solution to the government’s financial problems.

Mr. Ryan moved this year to the chairmanship of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee from the Budget Committee because he said he wanted even greater influence on national fiscal policy, and his prescriptions are anathema to most Democrats.

But the current flak following Mr. Ryan stems from a growing and powerful collection of far-right pundits and news media — from Mark Levin to Laura Ingraham to the sites RedState and Breitbart and the new Conservative Review — that have successfully wielded influence over Republican voters and lawmakers in strongly conservative districts.

Their bill of particulars against Mr. Ryan have shifted from the national debt and spending to immigration. Lately, they have focused on Mr. Ryan’s enthusiastic support for free trade, traditionally a policy that has gotten broad Republican support but is now being used as a bat against him. Beyond Mr. Ryan, the conservative targets have seemingly shifted from old time establishment lawmakers to a process seemingly more akin to random selection.

With Representative Kevin McCarthy’s stunning decision to withdraw from the race for speaker on Thursday, the Republican leadership elections were turned upside down. The competitive races were supposed to be those for lower-tier positions. Now the big uncertainty is who the next speaker will be.


On Monday, a Tea Party group in Alabama set out warning flares to Representative Martha Roby, a Republican, advising her that she would come under fire if she supported Mr. Ryan for speaker.

While the influence of Fox news on conservative voters has been well documented, “There’s a lot we don’t know about this bumper crop of digital news start-ups of the past five or 10 years, especially ad-supported ones,” said Jesse Holcomb the associate director of journalism research at the Pew Research Center. “Many aren’t public and don’t produce earnings statements and aren’t required to release information on revenue or profit margins.”

But House Republicans and their staff say millions of Republican primary voters have their opinions shaped by sites like Breitbart.com, which define a version of the conservative position of the moment, then whip their readers into a frenzy, imploring them to oppose anyone who takes a different position.

“Our goal is not influence; it is reporting and highlighting stories important to grass roots conservatives,” said Alex Marlow, the editor in chief of Breitbart. “To those in Congress and on the national political stage who want to better understand this constituency’s interests and worldview, we feel Breitbart News is a good place to start. Our focus on issues like spending, trade and particularly immigration are a reflection of the fact that there are massive populations of center-right Americans who do not favor the policies most often associated with the Republican Party establishment.”

Mr. Boehner, for instance, once considered unquestionably conservative, was forced out by his right flank. His would-be successor, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the majority leader, abruptly withdrew from the speaker’s race, also the target of Internet rancor that he was too much like Mr. Boehner.

The conservative rap on Mr. Ryan’s fiscal positions is especially curious. As Budget Committee chairman, Mr. Ryan was the author of plans that would convert Medicare into something akin to a voucher plan, where seniors would get government subsidies to purchase private insurance and move away from government-run health care.

He also wanted to turn Medicaid into increasingly tight block grants to state governments, and he also called for drastic cuts in food stamps, Pell grants and many other domestic programs.

But in 2013, Mr. Ryan and Ms. Murray reached an agreement, which passed 332 to 94 in the House, that modestly raised spending restrictions on military and domestic programs for two years, bringing temporary peace to the incessant budget wars that are now eliciting the wrath of the conservative industrial complex.

Immigration is proving to be an even more ripe area for venomous assessment of Mr. Ryan. He pressed for a vote on an immigration reform bill with his Republican colleagues in 2013, noting that “earned legalization is an issue I think the House can and will deal with” but was rebuffed.

While 53 percent of Republicans support some earned path to citizenship for immigrants living in the country illegally, said Robert P. Jones, the chief executive of the Public Religion Research Institute, citing a 2013 poll, “support drops well below majority to 45 percent among Republicans who identify with the Tea Party,” he said.

The question for Mr. Ryan, now ensconced in Wisconsin with his family while Congress is in recess, is whether the heat from the right is worth the fight or whether he will gamble that he can overrun them and win far in excess of the 218 votes needed to elected speaker in spite of all that noise, and start off strong and ready for the next round.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/us/politics/latest-unease-on-right-ryan-is-too-far-left.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

10/13/2015 6:47 am  #2


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If you go and find some of the quotes from 2012 praising Ryan's conservative bona-fides it'll make you laugh.

I'm chuckling at the GOP's total ineptitude over replacing Boehner. Moreso that there are likely some pretty good candidates for Speaker that won't even raise thier hand because they see that the House GOP is unmanageable. 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

10/13/2015 7:50 am  #3


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How did Conservatives ever get this far right?  Do they even realize that they are so extreme?  Suely they must realize that the majority of Americans don't want what they do.  Why can't they just get normal?

 

10/13/2015 8:06 am  #4


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It really is amazing, isn't it?
Whether you like conservatives, or loathe them, one has to admit that when the day comes that they speculate about whether Paul Ryan is sufficiently conservative to lead the House, well these people have lost it.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

10/13/2015 8:35 am  #5


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For some voters, I don't think it's so much about loving conservatives.  It's more about getting support and votes by promoting the fear and hate of liberals.  They've already begun generating the fear and hate of Bernie Sanders labeling him a Marxist commie without even looking at his platform, for example.

 

10/13/2015 9:01 am  #6


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Goose wrote:

It really is amazing, isn't it?
Whether you like conservatives, or loathe them, one has to admit that when the day comes that they speculate about whether Paul Ryan is sufficiently conservative to lead the House, well these people have lost it.

I kind of think today's Republicans don't really understand what the postion of the Speaker is supposed to be. It's not about putting someone in there who will simply advocate for conservative postions or push through conservative legislation. It's a political job that requires the ability to oversee the day to day workings of the House, and to build consensus where possible. Boehner knew it. Gingrich knew it to an extent. O'Neill knew it. 

Sure, the House could make Louie Gohmert the new Speaker. And if that were to happen, the House would be 100% more dysfunctional than it is now, which would make it 200% dysfunctional.

Look, the Republicans have a stronghold on the House. And frankly, they probably will for a good long time. All they need to do is find someone who is a: likeable, and b: can keep the wheels of government moving.
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

10/13/2015 9:19 am  #7


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So willingness to work together is not a desirable trait?


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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10/13/2015 9:28 am  #8


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Conspiracy Theory wrote:

So willingness to work together is not a desirable trait?

. A willingness to work with others to solve the nation's problems would make him a RINO, which is despised by the far right.
 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
     Thread Starter
 

10/21/2015 6:41 am  #9


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So Ryan said he'd consider running for speaker if certain conditions were met. Conditions like......

1 - The entire GOP caucus stand behind his efforts to effectively run the House

2 - Let him go home to Wisconsin to see his children.

And as you would imagine, more than a few House Republican members find this wholly unacceptable.

And then there's conservative mouthpiece Laura Ingram, who has in the last 24 hours tweeted....

George Washington left the luxury & beauty of Mt Vernon for Valley Forge. He even worked wkends & missed morning workouts for his people.7:28 AM - 21 Oct 2015

By next year when GOP is trying to keep the House, will Dems give the Repubs a break bc Speaker wants wkends in Wisc?!11:01 PM - 20 Oct 2015

 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

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