I'm confused, Lager.  You want someone on the Dem side that represents fresh air, a fresh face with a fresh perspective and not part of the establishment on the Dem side, yet you feel Sanders can't take it to the finish line.  So where does that leave us?

Last edited by Just Fred (8/04/2015 12:58 pm)

Goose wrote:

I think that your best chance for an anti-Hillary is a Biden or Kerry run. In other words, very establishment.
Still, I'd like to see Clinton get challenged.  I would vote for her in a general election because the Democratic stands on issues like the environment and guns is more to my liking. And, I believe in science. But I have no liking for Hillary.

BTW, have you seen the latest poll numbers? Clinton has got very high unfavorability ratings.In fact, she's underwater. Sanders can't take her out. He's hanged by the Socialist label (Not saying it's fair).

But, Webb, or Biden might be able to do it.
And, I think Jeb can beat her in the general.

And the way she has campaigned to date? Sheesh. 
Run, Joe, Run!

Hey, I'll give a shout out to The Man. I believe in giving credit where it is due. Months ago, the first time that you predicted that Hillary wouldn't win the democratic nomination, I thought that you were crazy. But Clinton sure looks anything but invincible now.

So far I don't think she has felt she has to. All she has to do is win the Decomcratic nod initially. There are almost as many people currently in the Dem bid as the Republican, but I bet most people cannot name more than one or two. And to top that, of the ones that ARE in the run at this point, their campaign presence is almost nill (outside of Sanders and I agree with your sentiment on him).  Here ARE the current people declared: Howell Astor, Morrison Bonpasse, Jeff Boss, Harry Braun, Andy Caffrey, Willie Carter, Lincoln Chaffee, Hillary Clinton, Lloyd Kelso, Martin O'Malley, Bernie Sanders, Doug Shreffler, Michael Steinberg, Jim Webb, Robby Wells, Willie Wilson, and Brad Winslow. 



 

tennyson wrote:

Goose wrote:

I think that your best chance for an anti-Hillary is a Biden or Kerry run. In other words, very establishment.
Still, I'd like to see Clinton get challenged.  I would vote for her in a general election because the Democratic stands on issues like the environment and guns is more to my liking. And, I believe in science. But I have no liking for Hillary.

BTW, have you seen the latest poll numbers? Clinton has got very high unfavorability ratings.In fact, she's underwater. Sanders can't take her out. He's hanged by the Socialist label (Not saying it's fair).

But, Webb, or Biden might be able to do it.
And, I think Jeb can beat her in the general.

And the way she has campaigned to date? Sheesh. 
Run, Joe, Run!

Hey, I'll give a shout out to The Man. I believe in giving credit where it is due. Months ago, the first time that you predicted that Hillary wouldn't win the democratic nomination, I thought that you were crazy. But Clinton sure looks anything but invincible now.

So far I don't think she has felt she has to. All she has to do is win the Decomcratic nod initially. There are almost as many people currently in the Dem bid as the Republican, but I bet most people cannot name more than one or two. And to top that, of the ones that ARE in the run at this point, their campaign presence is almost nill (outside of Sanders and I agree with your sentiment on him).  Here ARE the current people declared: Howell Astor, Morrison Bonpasse, Jeff Boss, Harry Braun, Andy Caffrey, Willie Carter, Lincoln Chaffee, Hillary Clinton, Lloyd Kelso, Martin O'Malley, Bernie Sanders, Doug Shreffler, Michael Steinberg, Jim Webb, Robby Wells, Willie Wilson, and Brad Winslow. 



 

 
The thing with Hillary is, so far she has said virtually nothing, or at least nothing where she hasn't lied and danced around the issue, and her support is seriously dropping.  Once she actually starts talking, her support will drop like a rock.

As for Trump, I hope no rational person actually supports him and actually thinks he has a shot.  I take him for the entertainment value.  The presidential race is usually boring at this time, at least he is talking, and I do like that he says what's on his mind without dancing around the question, as wrong as he may be.  I would vote for him if it were a choice between him and Hillary though, which it won't be.

Last edited by The Man (8/04/2015 3:21 pm)

Well, I just got my 'Bernie 2016' bumper sticker today.  I'm sending him 25 bucks, so I say to the Koch Brothers, " Take that in your shorts boys!  I can play the big money game, too!" 

I hear ya, Lager.  Sanders has been focusing on the dangers and pitfalls associated with plutocratic rule  turning our democracy into an oligarchy.  That's been his message for a long time.  I wish more people could see that and not get turned off by the 'socialist' label.  Very wealthy people should be able to buy more cars, bigger homes, condos in sunny places around the world, etc., but they ought not be able to buy our democracy.

Sanders is the only one in the pile that seems to want to alter the course and get us off the Plutocratic Oligarchy Highway.  We're running out of exits.