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Came across this over lunch. Found it interesting. Salon interviewed Camille Paglia, an 60's era activist liberal and professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia. She had a lot of interesting things to say, some of which I agree with {I highlight those in bold}. There's a lot of, "in my day, things were awesome" bitterness, but overall, I thought she provided an interesting analysis of where liberalism in the U.S. stands today.Read the whole thing here, and feel free to read some snippets I took out below.......
On today's liberals attacking religion:
......“Sneering at religion is juvenile, symptomatic of a stunted imagination.” It exposes a state of perpetual adolescence that has something to do with their parents– they’re still sneering at dad in some way.
I’m speaking here as an atheist. I don’t believe there is a God, but I respect every religion deeply. All the great world religions contain a complex system of beliefs regarding the nature of the universe and human life that is far more profound than anything that liberalism has produced. We have a whole generation of young people who are clinging to politics and to politicized visions of sexuality for their belief system. They see nothing but politics, but politics is tiny. Politics applies only to society. There is a huge metaphysical realm out there that involves the eternal principles of life and death. The great tragic texts, including the plays of Aeschylus and Sophocles, no longer have the central status they once had in education, because we have steadily moved away from the heritage of western civilization.
The real problem is a lack of knowledge of religion as well as a lack of respect for religion. I find it completely hypocritical for people in academe or the media to demand understanding of Muslim beliefs and yet be so derisive and dismissive of the devout Christian beliefs of Southern conservatives.
But yes, the sneering is ridiculous! Exactly what are these people offering in place of religion? In my system, I offer art–and the whole history of spiritual commentary on the universe. There’s a tremendous body of nondenominational insight into human life that used to be called cosmic consciousness. It has to be remembered that my generation in college during the 1960s was suffused with Buddhism, which came from the 1950s beatniks. Hinduism was in the air from every direction–you had the Beatles and the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Ravi Shankar at Monterey, and there were sitars everywhere in rock music. So I really thought we were entering this great period of religious syncretism, where the religions of the world were going to merge. But all of a sudden, it disappeared! The Asian religions vanished–and I really feel sorry for young people growing up in this very shallow environment where they’re peppered with images from mass media at a particularly debased stage.
On the Jon Stewart, comedy, and the major media, :
I think Stewart’s show demonstrated the decline and vacuity of contemporary comedy. I cannot stand that smug, snarky, superior tone. I hated the fact that young people were getting their news through that filter of sophomoric snark. Comedy, to me, is one of the major modern genres, and the big influences on my generation were Lenny Bruce and Mort Sahl. Then Joan Rivers had an enormous impact on me–she’s one of my major role models. It’s the old caustic, confrontational style of Jewish comedy. It was Jewish comedians who turned stand-up from the old gag-meister shtick of vaudeville into a biting analysis of current social issues, and they really pushed the envelope. Lenny Bruce used stand-up to produce gasps and silence from the audience. And that’s my standard–a comedy of personal risk. And by that standard, I’m sorry, but Jon Stewart is not a major figure. He’s certainly a highly successful T.V. personality, but I think he has debased political discourse. I find nothing incisive in his work. As for his influence, if he helped produce the hackneyed polarization of moral liberals versus evil conservatives, then he’s partly at fault for the political stalemate in the United States.
I don’t demonize Fox News. At what point will liberals wake up to realize the stranglehold that they had on the media for so long? They controlled the major newspapers and weekly newsmagazines and T.V. networks. It’s no coincidence that all of the great liberal forums have been slowly fading. They once had such incredible power. Since the rise of the Web, the nightly network newscasts have become peripheral, and the New York Times and the Washington Post have been slowly fading and are struggling to survive.
Historically, talk radio arose via Rush Limbaugh in the early 1990s precisely because of this stranglehold by liberal discourse. For heaven’s sake, I was a Democrat who had just voted for Jesse Jackson in the 1988 primary, but I had to fight like mad in the early 1990s to get my views heard. The resistance of liberals in the media to new ideas was enormous. Liberals think of themselves as very open-minded, but that’s simply not true! Liberalism has sadly become a knee-jerk ideology, with people barricaded in their comfortable little cells. They think that their views are the only rational ones, and everyone else is not only evil but financed by the Koch brothers. It’s so simplistic!
Now let me give you a recent example of the persisting insularity of liberal thought in the media. When the first secret Planned Parenthood video was released in mid-July, anyone who looks only at liberal media was kept totally in the dark about it, even after the second video was released. But the videos were being run nonstop all over conservative talk shows on radio and television. It was a huge and disturbing story, but there was total silence in the liberal media. That kind of censorship was shockingly unprofessional. The liberal major media were trying to bury the story by ignoring it. Now I am a former member of Planned Parenthood and a strong supporter of unconstrained reproductive rights. But I was horrified and disgusted by those videos and immediately felt there were serious breaches of medical ethics in the conduct of Planned Parenthood officials. But here’s my point: it is everyone’s obligation, whatever your political views, to look at both liberal and conservative news sources every single day. You need a full range of viewpoints to understand what is going on in the world.
On Donald Trump:
...my view of Trump began in the negative. When he was still relatively unknown nationally, he jackhammered a magnificent Art Deco sculpture over the main doorway of the Bonwit Teller department store on 5th Avenue. It was 1980, and he was demolishing the store to build Trump Tower. The Metropolitan Museum of Art had offered to take the sculpture, but Trump got impatient and just had it destroyed. I still remember that vividly, and I’m never going to forget it! I regard Donald Trump as an art vandal, equivalent to ISIS destroying ancient Assyrian sculptures. As a public figure, however, Trump is something of a carnival barker.
So far this year, I’m happy with what Trump has done, because he’s totally blown up the media! All of a sudden, “BOOM!” That lack of caution and shooting from the hip. He’s not a president, of course. He’s not remotely a president. He has no political skills of any kind. He’s simply an American citizen who is creating his own bully pulpit. He speaks in the great populist way, in the slangy vernacular. He takes hits like a comedian–and to me he’s more of a comedian than Jon Stewart is! Like claiming John McCain isn’t a war hero, because his kind of war hero doesn’t get captured–that’s hilarious! That’s like something crass that Lenny Bruce might have said! It’s so startling and entertaining.
On activist politics
It’s as if the stars have suddenly shifted–because we’re getting a mix-up in the other party too, as in that recent disruption of the NetRoots convention, with all that raw emotion and chaos in the air. To me, it feels very 1960s. These sudden disruptions, as when the Yippies would appear to do a stunt–like when they invaded Wall Street and threw dollar bills down on the stock exchange and did pig-calls! I’m enjoying this, but it’s throwing both campaigns off. None of the candidates on either side know how to respond to this kind of wild spontaneity, because we haven’t seen it in so long.
Politics has always been performance art. So we’ll see who the candidates are who can think on their feet.
...Our politicians, like our comedians, have been boring us with their canned formulas for way too long. So that’s why Donald Trump has suddenly leapt in the polls. He’s a great stand-up comedian. He’s anti-PC–he’s not afraid to say things that are rude and mean. I think he’s doing a great service for comedy as well as for politics!
On Bernie Sanders:
Bernie Sanders has the authentic, empathic, 1960s radical voice. It’s so refreshing. Now, I’m a supporter of Martin O’Malley–I sent his campaign a contribution the very first day he declared. But I would happily vote for Sanders in the primary. His type of 1960s radical activist style descends from the 1930s unionization movement, when organizers who were sometimes New York Jewish radicals went down to help the mine workers of Appalachia resist company thugs. There are so many famous folk songs that came out of that violent period.
When I was in college–from 1964 to 1968–I saw what real leftists look like, because a lot of people at my college, which was the State University of New York at Binghamton, were radicalized Jews from downstate. They were very avant-garde, doing experimental theater and modern dance, and they knew all about abstract expressionism. Their parents were often Holocaust survivors, so they had a keen sense of history. And they spoke in a very direct and open working-class style. That’s why, in the 1990s, I was saying that the academic leftists were such frauds–sitting around applying Foucault to texts and thinking that was leftism! No it wasn’t! It was a snippy, prim, smug bourgeois armchair leftism. Real ’60s radicals rarely went to grad school and never became big-wheel humanities professors, with their fat salaries and perks. The proof of the vacuity of academic leftism for the past forty years is the complete silence of leftist professors about the rise of the corporate structure of the contemporary university–their total failure to denounce the gross expansion of the administrator class and the obscene rise in tuition costs. The leading academic leftists are such frauds–they’ve played the system and are retiring as millionaires!
But what you see in Bernie Sanders–that is truly the voice of populism. I love the way he says, “This is not about me, it’s about you–it’s about building a national grassroots organization.” That is perfect! I doubt Sanders can win a national election with his inflammatory socialist style–plus you need someone in the White House who knows how to manage a huge bureaucracy, so I’m pessimistic about his chances. However, I think that he is tonic–to force the Democratic party, which I belong to, to return to its populist roots. I applaud everything that Sanders is doing!
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The comment about ancient plays being taught caught my attention.
I had a rather lengthy argument with one of my professors over whether or not authors who are considered great icons of literature could be published with the same kind of writing today.
My thoughts were that a great deal of the meaning in cannonized literature and philosophy was dependent on the social structure at the time.
I believe the reason for movement away from involving this in education is that is simply isn't timely. The meaning is lost without an understanding of the era in which it was written. Or at least misunderstood.
Any thoughts?
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TheLagerLad wrote:
......“Sneering at religion is juvenile, symptomatic of a stunted imagination.” It exposes a state of perpetual adolescence that has something to do with their parents– they’re still sneering at dad in some way.
I’m speaking here as an atheist. I don’t believe there is a God, but I respect every religion deeply. All the great world religions contain a complex system of beliefs regarding the nature of the universe and human life that is far more profound than anything that liberalism has produced. We have a whole generation of young people who are clinging to politics and to politicized visions of sexuality for their belief system. They see nothing but politics, but politics is tiny. Politics applies only to society. There is a huge metaphysical realm out there that involves the eternal principles of life and death. The great tragic texts, including the plays of Aeschylus and Sophocles, no longer have the central status they once had in education, because we have steadily moved away from the heritage of western civilization.
The real problem is a lack of knowledge of religion as well as a lack of respect for religion. I find it completely hypocritical for people in academe or the media to demand understanding of Muslim beliefs and yet be so derisive and dismissive of the devout Christian beliefs of Southern conservatives.
I agree with much of this.
However, the last paragraph cuts both ways. The devout southern conservative is dismissive, and derisive of Islam. And too often they embrace a simple, "Jesus loves me" message that ignores the complexity and richness of Roman Catholic, and Orthodox Christianity.
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Conspiracy Theory wrote:
The comment about ancient plays being taught caught my attention.
I had a rather lengthy argument with one of my professors over whether or not authors who are considered great icons of literature could be published with the same kind of writing today.
My thoughts were that a great deal of the meaning in cannonized literature and philosophy was dependent on the social structure at the time.
I believe the reason for movement away from involving this in education is that is simply isn't timely. The meaning is lost without an understanding of the era in which it was written. Or at least misunderstood.
Any thoughts?
I agree. Much of the richness of ancient writings, and art depends on one's knowledge of the times, and the context.
Not just plays and other writings. Look at renaissance art. Each piece tells a story that the contemporary (to the time, that is) viewer was familiar with. The modern viewer, not being familiar with the - often biblical - allegory misses so much.
We need more history and humanity education!
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There is a world of difference between "classic liberals" (folks who are sincerly inerested in considering a multitude of ideas, including those with which they disagree) and "idealogical liberals" a.k.a. "progressives" whose tolerence only extends to those ideas and beliefs with which they are in agreement.
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Tarnation wrote:
There is a world of difference between "classic liberals" (folks who are sincerly inerested in considering a multitude of ideas, including those with which they disagree) and "idealogical liberals" a.k.a. "progressives" whose tolerence only extends to those ideas and beliefs with which they are in agreement.
Might one make the same observation of those on the other end of the spectrum?
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Goose wrote:
The devout southern conservative is dismissive, and derisive of Islam. And too often they embrace a simple, "Jesus loves me" message that ignores the complexity and richness of Roman Catholic, and Orthodox Christianity.
At the risk of oversimplifying: A lot of southern conservatives' faith tradition comes from something sometimes called "TULIP Calvinism", which, among other shortcomings, teaches "eternal security".
"Eternal security" is sometimes reduced to the slogan "Once saved, always saved" meaning that it is impossible to fall from grace; and that once someone has "made a decision" they basically don't have to do anything ever again to grow in faith.
And yes, this does not square with the more complex permutations of Christianity; be that the Theosis of Orthodoxy, the simul justus et peccator ("justified sinner") of Lutheranism, or striving for perfection/sanctification as taught by classic Methodists and Salvationist.
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Speaking as a person who attended undergrad 1965 to 1969 (around the same time period as Camille) my perspective on the world, religion, politics, and people in general was evolved as my life expanded. From 6 years in the Navy, and subsequently working and living in various international locations for some 40 years, plus both my wife and I loving to travel and experience different cultures, food, languages etc. I guess that's where my perspective of the world differs from Ms. Paglia's. Her chosen perspective as a "social commentator/critic" and academic has been formed in the cocoon of education institutions and observing things from the secure and rather sterile environment of a secure campus life. Maybe she should get out more and actually experience things rather than observing them from afar.