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7/19/2015 10:41 am  #11


Re: "Secret" Science

Well, then outside of the money mentioned in the bill (and I believe it also is not something that should be in the bill), any opposition research will be free to use similar research tacticts (and some already do) to justify their positions.  


 


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7/19/2015 11:04 am  #12


Re: "Secret" Science

So, what if Stanford University does a study and gets a certain set of results. The EPA reviews it, decides that a course of action is necessary and passes some regs. Some regs that affect the oil industry.

Then the American Petroleum Institute says that they cannot reproduce the results.

What happens under this bill?


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7/19/2015 11:07 am  #13


Re: "Secret" Science

Goose wrote:

So, what if Stanford University does a study and gets a certain set of results. The EPA reviews it, decides that a course of action is necessary and passes some regs. Some regs that affect the oil industry.

Then the American Petroleum Institute says that they cannot reproduce the results.

What happens under this bill?

Well, if the research was done with the same methods and produced different results, I would say more research is needed. This shold hold true of all research endeavors not just ones we happen to side with. 



 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

7/19/2015 11:12 am  #14


Re: "Secret" Science

tennyson wrote:

Goose wrote:

So, what if Stanford University does a study and gets a certain set of results. The EPA reviews it, decides that a course of action is necessary and passes some regs. Some regs that affect the oil industry.

Then the American Petroleum Institute says that they cannot reproduce the results.

What happens under this bill?

Well, if the research was done with the same methods and produced different results, I would say more research is needed. This shold hold true of all research endeavors not just ones we happen to side with. 



 

Have you watched the climate change debate at all?
Every study will be countered by additional "science" by a group with an economic interest to protect. 

Needed regs will be shelved until "further study" is done which will lead to further further study.
Nothing will ever get done.
It will be a circus


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7/19/2015 11:58 am  #15


Re: "Secret" Science

Needed regs will be shelved until "further study" is done which will lead to further further study.
Nothing will ever get done.
It will be a circus


This is also correct.  

 

7/19/2015 12:45 pm  #16


Re: "Secret" Science

Goose wrote:

tennyson wrote:

Goose wrote:

So, what if Stanford University does a study and gets a certain set of results. The EPA reviews it, decides that a course of action is necessary and passes some regs. Some regs that affect the oil industry.

Then the American Petroleum Institute says that they cannot reproduce the results.

What happens under this bill?

Well, if the research was done with the same methods and produced different results, I would say more research is needed. This shold hold true of all research endeavors not just ones we happen to side with. 



 

Have you watched the climate change debate at all?
Every study will be countered by additional "science" by a group with an economic interest to protect. 

Needed regs will be shelved until "further study" is done which will lead to further further study.
Nothing will ever get done.
It will be a circus

I have, but the main thing stopping much of what is believed to be causing climate change are things that people like you and me do and use and are not willing to make the hard sacrifices to make the change. And I make this statement not just personally but in regards to all the modernized nations and those trying to gain many of the same comforts that we avail ourselves of daily. I don't think that all is lost, but science and man's ingenuity need to come up with affordable alternatives to those things that are know to be contributors to global warming. 






 

Last edited by tennyson (7/19/2015 12:46 pm)


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7/19/2015 4:14 pm  #17


Re: "Secret" Science

I'll be hoping that Obama gets his veto pen out on this one.


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