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7/15/2015 4:56 am  #1


Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

Volunteer watchdog group dispatches to western states to monitor 'Jade Helm'


By Barnini ChakrabortyPublished July 15, 2015FoxNews.com



WASHINGTON –  A controversial U.S. military training exercise known as “Operation Jade Helm" rolls out this week across several southwestern states -- but a group of wary citizen watchdogs will be keeping an eye on them. 

Pete Lanteri, a former Marine now living in Arizona, told FoxNews.com that volunteer members he's helped organize will be on the ground as part of a newly formed surveillance campaign called “Counter Jade Helm.” A product of mounting suspicions across western states over the exercise itself, the group has been set up to locate, track and observe U.S. soldiers – Green Berets, Air Force Special Ops, Navy SEALs -- training across the Southwest.

The three-month military exercise kicks off Wednesday. Lanteri played down the notion that the "counter" campaign could lead to conflict. 

“We’re not paranoid tin-hat wearing freaks,” Lanteri told FoxNews.com. “We’re not going to be out there confronting people or holding signs.”

Rather, Lanteri and his volunteers will be in plain clothes, in plain sight and armed with only cell phones and video cameras, he says. 

He plans to travel to central Texas over the weekend to help kick off the “Counter Jade Helm” project. He said California, Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi, Florida and Utah also are among the states participating in the counter-missions; there have been conflicting reports about which specific states Jade Helm will be in, though the operation appears to concentrate in the Southwest.

“I did this because A: I believe in monitoring what the government does and B: I see this as a training opportunity,” Lanteri, who has spent a decade working on the Arizona-Mexico border, said.  

Lanteri’s operation quickly gained momentum after the military announced it would carry out lengthy military exercises across the Southwest.

Many, like retired Kerrville, Texas, sheriff’s deputy Eric Johnston, wanted answers on why the soldiers would be there. Johnston, who will run surveillance teams in central Texas, told the Houston Chronicle he wasn’t even sure why the military exercises were being held.

For its part, the U.S. military said it trains on tough southwest terrain because it best replicates conditions where special operations soldiers are likely to find themselves, and said this type of training helps the military “stay ahead of the environmental challenges faced overseas.” The Pentagon has said the exercise "poses no threat" to civil liberties.  

Locals weren’t buying it.

As word spread about the pop-up training camps, theories took shape in the absence of actual information.

Texans, in particular, feasted on colorful conspiracy theories that, thanks to the Internet, went viral -- including one that involved a supposed plan to convert old Walmart stores into death camps and another about a plot to round up and remove political dissidents. There also was speculation about the name, Jade Helm, and a secret link to China.

Worries went into overdrive when a map surfaced that labeled the Lone Star State as “hostile territory.” 

The Pentagon rejected the "wild speculation," and Lanteri said he does, too. 

“I tell the conspiracy people, 90 percent of what you read is b-s,” Lanteri said. “The media is freaking people out.”

But apprehension grew so much over the military drill that the Army sent a spokesman to Bastrop, Texas, to allay fears. Despite assurances from the feds that nothing nefarious is at play, hundreds of Texans phoned Gov. Greg Abbott’s office and demanded answers.

In April, the Republican governor gave the Texas State Guard the green light to “monitor” federal troops. His office declined to go into detail about what that might entail or how much it would cost.

GOP 2016 presidential hopeful Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, reportedly “reached out to the Pentagon” about Operation Jade Helm. Cruz’s office did not return requests by FoxNews.com for additional details this week.  

In May, Rasmussen Reports conducted a national poll that found 45 percent of voters are concerned the government will use military training operations to impose greater control over the states. Among those who oppose military exercises in their state, 82 percent believed it was part of a government push to exert more power at a state level.

Lanteri says aside from the “conspiracy nut jobs,” there have been others who genuinely feel that the military may be up to something not quite right. He says it’s their right as U.S. citizens to be able to question motive and look for answers.

“Ronald Reagan said to trust and verify, and that’s what we’re going to do,” he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/14/volunteer-watchdog-group-prepares-for-counter-jade-helm-campaign/?intcmp=latestnews


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

7/15/2015 6:01 am  #2


Re: Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

Not only is this crazy, but think of what a profound insult this is to our armed forces.
Since 1775 the people of the US army have put themselves in harm's way to protect their fellow citizens.
And, now you don't trust them?
Shameful


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7/15/2015 6:29 am  #3


Re: Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

I can't imagine what it must be like to live in a perpetual state of paranoia like some of these people.

 

7/15/2015 10:00 am  #4


Re: Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

Goose wrote:

Volunteer watchdog group dispatches to western states to monitor 'Jade Helm'


By Barnini ChakrabortyPublished July 15, 2015FoxNews.com



WASHINGTON –  A controversial U.S. military training exercise known as “Operation Jade Helm" rolls out this week across several southwestern states -- but a group of wary citizen watchdogs will be keeping an eye on them. 


“We’re not paranoid tin-hat wearing freaks,” Lanteri told FoxNews.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/14/volunteer-watchdog-group-prepares-for-counter-jade-helm-campaign/?intcmp=latestnews

Well then, what kind of freaks are they ??? 




 

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7/15/2015 12:02 pm  #5


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An article by Allen Clifton:


Whole New Level: Let Me Introduce You to “Operation Counter Jade Helm”

In case you didn’t know, the U.S. military troops who are going to be involved in the massive military training exercise known as Jade Helm are about to start landing in Texas. As I reported previously, Gov. Greg Abbott has already ordered the Texas Guard to “monitor” the activity of the United States military as they carry out these training maneuvers within the borders of the very country they serve.



You see, apparently quite a few conservatives believe that Jade Helm is a secret government plot by the Obama administration to invade Texas and declare martial law.

Well, when they do land, the Texas Guard apparently won’t be the only ones awaiting their arrival.

Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to “Operation Counter Jade Helm,” an organized group of a few hundred mentally unstable conservatives who suffer from severe paranoia people who have pledged to monitor the actions of the military as well.

Apparently when President Obama does give the order to invade Texas, they want to be some of the first bugs squashed by the boot of the U.S. military.

According to the Houston Chronicle:

Eric Johnston, a 51-year-old retired firefighter and sheriff’s deputy who lives in Kerrville, is a surveillance team leader in Texas. He’ll coordinate three groups of volunteers, about 20 folks in total, who hope to monitor the SEALs, Green Berets and Air Force Special Ops in Bastrop, Big Spring and Junction when Jade Helm kicks off on July 15. With media prohibited at the drills, the volunteers could be a main source of information for the highly-anticipate seven-state exercise.

“If a team member sees two Humvees full of soldiers driving through town, they’re going to follow them,” Johnston said. “And they’re going to radio back their ultimate location.”

However, the entire group is being organized by former Marine Pete Lanteri, who will be “headquartered” at his house in Arizona.

Though – and this is not a joke – Lanteri has apparently been annoyed by the “nut jobs” that have filled his Facebook page talking about concentration camps and other absurd conspiracies.



“Once I saw the freaking nut-jobs coming out of the woodwork I was spending half my day discrediting what they were posting,” Lanteri said. “No nut-jobs will be put in the field.”

Too late.

See, to him the crazies swarming his Facebook page talking concentration camps and all other sorts of nonsense are “nuts” for believing such ridiculousness. Yet, to people like myself, he and those like him are just as crazy. The way he looks at the “nut jobs” posting about all sorts of completely asinine conspiracies is the same way people like myself look at him, and those like him, organizing efforts to “monitor” the United States military during a training exercise because they don’t “trust the government.”

You really just can’t make this stuff up.

Army Special Operations didn’t even address questions about the civilian surveillance operation, because doing so would give them legitimacy – and the only thing they deserve is to be mocked for their stupidity.





My perspective on these nut job military wannabe voyeurs:
I just wonder what these "patriots" (as they like to refer to themselves) are trying to accomplish. Can you imagine any kind of confrontation, caused by their interference with professional special ops personnel, by these playtime "soldiers"? I just hope the SEALs have a good sense of humor in dealing with these clowns.

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7/15/2015 12:51 pm  #6


Re: Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

Apparently, this affinity for fear and truly bad ideas has been around for quite some time.

From 1964


http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/

The Paranoid Style in American Politics
By Richard Hofstadter

Excerpt:

It had been around a long time before the Radical Right discovered it—and its targets have ranged from “the international bankers” to Masons, Jesuits, and munitions makers.

American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority.

But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.

Of course this term is pejorative, and it is meant to be; the paranoid style has a greater affinity for bad causes than good. But nothing really prevents a sound program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. Style has more to do with the way in which ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of their content. I am interested here in getting at our political psychology through our political rhetoric. The paranoid style is an old and recurrent phenomenon in our public life which has been frequently linked with movements of suspicious discontent.

Before the idiocy of the "manchurian candidate" President out to enslave 'merica, there was McCarthy, before that, paranoia fueled  the anti-Masonic movement, the nativist and anti-Catholic movement, in certain spokesmen of abolitionism who regarded the United States as being in the grip of a slaveholders’ conspiracy, in many alarmists about the Mormons, in some Greenback and Populist writers who constructed a great conspiracy of international bankers, in the exposure of a munitions makers’ conspiracy of World War I, in the Paranoia about popular left-wing press, and so on.
A good read, it goes on for some seven pages.


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7/16/2015 11:59 am  #7


Re: Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

I don't get it.

All branches of the military conduct excercises like this every year.

Joint operations are less common but not unusual.

What's the problem?


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

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7/16/2015 1:14 pm  #8


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Conspiracy Theory wrote:

I don't get it.

All branches of the military conduct excercises like this every year.

Joint operations are less common but not unusual.

What's the problem?

Well, during the previous exercises the President of the United States was an American.
You know, one of "us".,,,,
 


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7/16/2015 2:14 pm  #9


Re: Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

Oh, okay Goose.

Don't know how I overlooked that. 


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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7/16/2015 2:54 pm  #10


Re: Update: Yes, They are Still Crazy

What took place today in Tennessee would not suprise me to see a repeat or at least an attempt to copy-cat during these exercises in the southwest.

 

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