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5/31/2015 6:46 am  #1


Is This What We've Come to?

May 30, 2015:

Hundreds of people have pledged to boycott United Airlines [/url]after a Muslim passenger alleged discrimination due to [url=http://www.business-standard.com/search?type=news&q=Islamophobia]Islamophobia over an unopened can of Diet Coke onboard the American airliner.

Tahera Ahmad's Facebook post over the "clear" discrimination went almost immediately went viral yesterday.

The Muslim chaplain at Chicago's Northwestern University was onboard a flight this weekend when she asked for an unopened can of soda for hygienic reasons and says was told, "Well, I'm sorry. I just can't give you an unopened can, so no Diet Coke for you."

When the man next to her allegedly got an unopened beer can from the in-flight service, Ahmad said she was told something even more inflammatory: "We are unauthorised to give unopened cans to people, because they may use it as a WEAPON on the plane."

Ahmad said her fellow passengers were of no help. In her post, she says she was told by another male passenger across the aisle that "you Moslem, you need to shut... Up" and used an offensive word.

He said she knew she would use it as a 'weapon' so she should better shut up.

 

 

5/31/2015 6:57 am  #2


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Is This what we've come to?

No. Sadly, this is where some of us have always been.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

6/10/2015 8:25 pm  #3


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Turns out this whole story may have been a hoax at worst, a misunderstanding at best.

This story comes from a travel blog of all places..... (and I kinda chuckled at the extent they went to fact-check the story. Maybe actual journalists should have put as much effort into it.)

First of all, I know how touchy talking about religion and race can be. But, I assure you, what I’m about to discuss comes from a place of getting to the truth and not discrimination.

From the moment the news story broke, the claim brought forth by Tahera Ahmad, a Muslim American chaplain at Northwestern University, about a United Flight Attendant (who was actually a Shuttle America flight attendant working a United Express Flight) struck me as odd. Why wouldn’t a flight attendant give anyone a full can of soda? The excuse Ahmad claims she was handed by the flight attendant was that passengers “may use it as a weapon.” That’s something I’ve never heard a flight attendant say. In fact… what?!

Passengers can buy a drink in the airport terminal, post security, and are allowed to keep the unopened can or bottle and board the plane with it. If you buy a beer on board, you get the full can. There’s no way the flight attendant said those words. I also don’t believe that the passengers around her chimed in saying:

“You Muslim, you need to shut the … up,” and said that “You know you would use it as a weapon.”

What flight have you been on where this has happened? Wouldn’t a riot have broken out between passengers? This news story would have unfolded differently. Faced with the news and social media running with this one side of the story, United responded quickly saying “Flight attendant who denied unopened soda can to Muslim will no longer serve United customers” and apologized. But, can you read between the lines? No? What if I told you that the flight attendant “no longer serving” is actually, still employed? Would that lead you to believe the airline knows she did nothing wrong? Keep reading!

As you know there’s three sides to every story– and here’s the second and third. I did my research and spoke to persons close to the matter within the industry and quickly obtained more facts.

A member on FlyerTalk.com, an online community of frequently flyers, was on board this eventful flight. They weren’t involved in the situation but watched it unfold from across the aisle and posted his/her side of the story.



Ahh, now the plot thickens. A completely different point of view on what’s happened and a view which sounds a bit more realistic.

Could this whole situation be one big misinterpretation and misunderstanding? 

The commonality between both stories is the that the flight attendant did not provide Amhad with a can of Coke Zero. And there’s probably a valid reason for that. Speaking with flight attendants from Shuttle America, there are only 4 cans of Coke Zero per beverage cart on the flight in question. So, the flight attendant may not have been able to give Amhad a full, unopened can because one didn’t exist if the flight attendant had already used her supply. Now, Amhad may have perceived her not receiving the full can as some form of discrimination after seeing another passenger get a full can of beer, but may not have been fully aware of the facts behind why she wasn’t provided a full can of Coke Zero.

With that said, we also know that what the passenger posted regarding the can of Diet Coke being delivered to Amhad first holds some weight. This is further supported by the fact that United Airlines and Shuttle America initially characterized this situation as a “misunderstanding regarding a can of diet soda;” a statement that Ahmad and others pilloried on social media as trivializing. Were the trivializing it or just stating the truth? If she received a can of diet soda (unopened or not) but couldn’t get a can of Coke Zero, was the flight attendant actually discriminating against her or was she simply out of stock?

It’s no secret that airlines are quick to fire flight attendants over customer service situations. Bad press is something no airline wants, especially press that associates their brand with discrimination and bad customer service. But, let’s say for a second that Amhad’s story is true and other passengers on the plane substantiated what happened, the flight attendant would surely be terminated. That’s uncalled for, unprofessional and honestly sickening. But read the statement from United and the headlines closely: “Flight attendant who denied unopened soda can to Muslim will no longer serve United customers”, “Flight Attendant Who Refused Muslim Woman Soda Will ‘No Longer Serve”, “United says it will no longer use flight attendant who denied Muslim woman unopened soda can.” Nothing says the flight attendant was ‘fired’ it says, she won’t serve United customers.

Republic Airways Holdings operates  Shuttle America and Republic Airlines. Those two carriers operate shorter, regional flights for United, Delta, American and US Airways. Now wait a minute. Why would Shuttle America keep someone employed and reassign them to another one of their airline partners if they’re known to discriminate? Why didn’t United press for her termination? They’re very quick to do so usually, remember the 13 flight attendants they fired in one clean sweep? This doesn’t make sense. Unless.. they know Amhad’s story isn’t true.

Through the investigation into this matter airline officials have had to check the validity of the post on FlyerTalk, and can do so various ways (i.e. the passengers seat assignment) and maybe discovered that things didn’t unfold on board as first thought. But why haven’t we heard about it? Why hasn’t United or Shuttle America stepped up and said (a few days later, mind you): “Wait a minute! Our flight attendant may not be wholly at fault!” Because that would create a worse PR nightmare than what initially transpired. It would look disrespectful and unsympathetic.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

6/10/2015 9:26 pm  #4


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"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/10/2015 9:28 pm  #5


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Egads!  What I most dislike about the internet.  The anonymity it provides for commenters on forums and websites is crushing somtimes and people have the freedom to lie, post any racist or other derogatory that comes to mind and often feel good about it.. 

 

6/11/2015 4:41 am  #6


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How do we know that the blogger was on the flight?
I don't think that a post from some anonymous person on the internet necessarily constitutes the definitive end to this bizarre tale.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

6/11/2015 6:16 am  #7


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So we have three stories about this incident.  If we wait another couple of days, I'm sure we'll read about a fourth and fifth account.  Geez.  Flowergirl is right.

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6/11/2015 7:39 am  #8


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Goose wrote:

How do we know that the blogger was on the flight?
I don't think that a post from some anonymous person on the internet necessarily constitutes the definitive end to this bizarre tale.

We don't, but as someone who flies fairly frequently, I had the same thought the writer had when I first read the story:

Passengers can buy a drink in the airport terminal, post security, and are allowed to keep the unopened can or bottle and board the plane with it. If you buy a beer on board, you get the full can. There’s no way the flight attendant said those words.

As someone who has bought a few beers on a flight, I can confirm. And I've seen it both ways with soda. Full flight, you're probably getting the flight attendant pouring you a half a can into a plastic cup. Not a full flight, and you get the whole can, sometimes open and sometimes not open.

I can chalk this up to a misunderstanding, possibly between a passenger who was having a bad day and maybe even a flight attendant who was having a bad day. But the whole story seemed odd to me, partly because as best as I can tell no one on the flight confirmed Ms. Ahmad's side of the story and partly because I'm unaware of any regulations that says airlines can't give out full cans of beer/soda due to concerns over it becoming a weapon.

I think the bigger issue is, as with a lot of media, they took a Facebook post and reported it as fact without any independent verification. This blog site I pointed to does some reporting and says essentially, "Look, we don't typically get involved in religion and politics, but something doesn't sound right about this and we looked into it and here's what we can tell you." 

Is it too much to ask CNN, Fox, and all of the other media outlets who reported on this to do the same?
 

Last edited by TheLagerLad (6/11/2015 7:40 am)


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

6/11/2015 9:19 am  #9


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As I said.  I see darkness.


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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