Just Fred wrote:

Thanks to rongone, fact-checking Perry says it all.  Let's move on.

Nah. I'd like to see an another account of the Perry record by some impartial source,,,,,,,, like his mom maybe.

 

Just for fun, let me play the contrarian and make the case for Perry being a legit candidate who could make a serious run in 2016:

He has a solid record of job creation, even around the Great Recession

When liberals want to make conservative governance look bad, they'll point to Mississippi or, these days, maybe Kansas. When conservatives want to make liberal governance look bad, they'll point to Detroit. Liberals would prefer to highlight someplace more like Massachusetts — a state where, yes, taxes are high but in exchange the public services are genuinely good and the citizens are, on the whole, quite prosperous. Texas — especially during the Rick Perry years — is the conservative version of that, a place where conservative policy ideas really have led to the kind of rapid economic growth Republicans like to brag about.

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Here is a comparison of in-state job growth during various governors' terms compared with the national average at the same time. You can see that Perry's time in office largely corresponded with a not-so-hot spell of job creation for the United States of America, but that he nonetheless has the strongest record of in-state job creation of anyone in the sample.

The only one who even comes close is Jeb Bush, and his state's economy collapsed immediately after he left office, under the weight of the housing bubble that inflated his figures.

Perry's 14 years in office, by contrast, included stints before, during, and after the Great Recession. His job creation record is the record of a big state weathering a national — indeed, global — economic calamity and doing a pretty good job of it. The Republican field is crowded, but Perry has the opportunity to stand out with a fairly unusual story of success.

Texas was a pretty attractive place to live during the Perry years

The Texas population growth story underscores the fact that the state is, broadly speaking, a pretty nice place to live.

Its infrastructure is not decaying. Indeed, despite lower taxes the major roads in Texas are far nicer than those in the northeast. The airports are functional. Dallas and Houston are both building out their rail transit systems. African-American and Latino kids do better in school in Texas than they do in the average state. The University of Texas is an extremely well-regarded public university. And if a coastal liberal starts rolling his eyes at the idea of Texas being a nice place to live, just ask him about Austin — a city that is very much subjected to the same conservative governance as the rest of the state.

Now, of course it's also true that it's probably a mistake to attribute Texas's fast-growing economy to just any old item on the conservative policy agenda. The warm climate and fossil fuel endowments really are playing a major role. But people wouldn't be moving there unless the basic mix of taxes and public services were appealing to at least some large number of people. And Texas has something in droves that successful liberal states like California and Massachusetts don't have — affordable housing.

At hisannouncement speech today, he talked directly to the young, working class, and poor and sounded downright Hillary-esque but with a real southern accent

Debt is not just a fiscal nightmare, it is a moral failure. Let me speak to the millennial generation: massive debt, passed on from our generation to yours, is a breaking of the social compact.

You deserve better. I am going to offer a responsible plan to fix the entitlement system, and to stop this theft from your generation.

To those forgotten Americans drowning in personal debt, working harder for wages that don’t keep up with the rising cost of living, I come here today to say your voice is heard.

I know you face rising health care costs, rising child care costs, skyrocketing tuition costs, and mounting student loan debt. I hear you, and I am going to do something about it.

To the one in five children in families on food stamps, to the one in seven Americans living in poverty, to the one in ten workers who are unemployed, under-employed or given up hope of finding a job: I hear you, you are not forgotten.

I am running to be your president.

He won over nearly 40% of Texas Hispanics in his 2010 campaign

Perry has steadily improved his standing with Hispanics since he won only 13 percent of the vote when he faced Mexican-American businessman Tony Sanchez in his 2002 election. Perry's predecessor, Bush, laid some of the groundwork in the Hispanic community that helped him get to 38 percent of the vote in 2010 against Democrat Bill White.

Perry supporters describe his immigration record as nuanced; critics call it contradictory. In a recent interview, he stood by his support of in-state tuition for illegal immigrants who graduate from high school. "To punish these young Texans for their parents' actions is not what America has always been about," he told the New Hampshire Union Leader earlier this month. Yet he opposed a federal version of the legislation.

Perry said that Arizona's controversial crackdown on illegal immigration in 2010 "would not be the right direction for Texas,'' but he pushed a ban on "sanctuary cities'' in the state's most recent legislative session that would have expanded the powers of local police to enforce immigration law.

He's done this before. Don't discount the experience learned from running for POTUS. Romney was a much better candidate his second time around. 

There's a lot to disagree with Perry on in terms of foreign policy, which is simplistic and typical GOP boilerplate material. But Perry has more of a case to make than a lot of his competitors.


 

Last edited by TheLagerLad (6/04/2015 8:36 pm)

Commonsense. Please turn the block from your PM account off, so that the moderator can communicate with you.
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Campaign e-mail from Bernie Sander posted here and what do you say:
“I'll go along with Bernie on this.”
 
You seem to have selected outrage about what is posted. If you agree with it it’s
Fine if…. If not You pull your Mr. Moderator card…. I will DELETE you!
So dam funny!
 
And then we get the issues that Bernie feels are important from an e mail he sent out and you respond:
“Good stuff, Fred. I want to see how Bernie fleshes this out with details as the race progresses.”
 
(Thanks to Jeerleader)
“You hold yourself up to be a shining example of high intellectual function but you can only define other's positions (after you misrepresent them) as personal attacks.
 
 
 

What do people think of the Perry stand on Cuba?
Do you think that Cuba will be much of an issue in 2016?