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I guess, if we wait long enough, Dick Cheney will be the most honest man in the world according to the Foxbots.
Sorry Abe.
Musings Of An Average Joe: Is George W. Bush The Smartest Human Who Has Ever Lived?
By Joe Bilello, Fox News
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members."-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), October 10, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime.... He represents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation.... And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction.... The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."-Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), January 23, 2003
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), December 16, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."-Pres. Bill Clinton, February 17, 1998
In a recent interview with Fox News’ Megyn Kelly, 2016 presidential hopeful Jeb Bush was asked whether, knowing what he knows now, he would have still invaded Iraq if he were president after 9/11. Bush appeared to answer the question as if he were asked what he would have done given the intelligence at the time. Mr. Bush said he, too, would have invaded Iraq and reminded everyone that Hillary Clinton would have done so as well.
Bush later revised his answer to fit the proper context but his initial response to a question no one asked was the correct response to a question not enough people have asked in the aftermath of the Iraq war.
It is obvious to anyone with common sense that any man or woman who was elected President of the United States in 2000 would've reacted the exact same way. And this is not just speculation. Almost every prominent politician and possible presidential candidate supported President Bush and the overall consensus was that Saddam Hussein had WMDs.
When Bush defenders and fair-minded people point out the fact that Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and most senators and congressmen all agreed that something needed to be done in Iraq, Bush haters, left with no legitimate response, can only muster up one reply - Bush lied and manipulated them to go along with his evil scheme.
Let's not forget about British Prime Minister Tony Blair and much of the international community as well. They too were duped by Bush's lies. If this is their only defense, how well does this speak to the intelligence and integrity of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and countless others?
Barack Obama, apparently the most brilliant president we have ever had, must use executive action because he cannot convince his opponents or the American people to go along with most of his proposals. But an idiot like George W. Bush can convince the entire world to do his biddings? Those people with the most intense hatred of George W. Bush have always tried to have it both ways when it comes to the former president. Depending on their agenda, he’s a blue-blooded, Harvard-Yale elitist one day and a moronic, unstable wanna-be Texas cowboy the next.
Talk to anyone with an abnormally irrational hatred for George W. Bush and they are certain of two things: (1) Bush is evil, a liar and murderer and (2) He is a moron. A blundering idiot with the intelligence of a developmentally-challenged earthworm. To these folks, these two things are indisputable. However, there is a major problem with their assessment.
We could never convince the true haters that Bush did anything right or that he is not pure evil, but even those people in the most advanced stages of irrational Bush hatred must learn that they cannot have it both ways. The aforementioned characteristics are mutually exclusive and simply cannot coexist.
If President Bush lied about WMDs and tricked the American people, the United States Congress and many of the world's leaders, then I think we must take the moron label off the table. In fact, not only can a man who manipulated the world’s elite and even possibly masterminded 9/11 not be a moron, it is fairly safe to say that he may be the smartest human being who has ever lived. A man with intelligence so unfathomably vast it surpasses the collective brainpower of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Tony Blair and all others he was able to manipulate combined.
I don't think any of us believe George W. Bush is the smartest human being who's ever lived. So, that only leaves one possible scenario - the truth. And the truth is that George W. Bush reacted to Iraq based on the intelligence he received combined with the fact that Saddam Hussein was restricting access to weapon’s inspectors.
You don’t have to like George W. Bush. You don’t have to believe he was a good president. But you do need another excuse to support your bizarre and unfounded hatred of the man. The fact that he did what anyone else in his shoes would have done just doesn’t cut it.
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The rehabilitation of GWB is going to require some serious revision of history.
It is true that Hillary voted to authorize force. But, she has since come to realize, and admit that it was a mistake.
And, I have no idea what a quote by Bill Clinton in 1998 in reference to airstrikes has to do with the 2003 invasion.
That's some "interesting" writing.
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I don't think any of us believe George W. Bush is the smartest human being who's ever lived. So, that only leaves one possible scenario - the truth. And the truth is that George W. Bush reacted to Iraq based on the intelligence he received combined with the fact that Saddam Hussein was restricting access to weapon’s inspectors.
You don’t have to like George W. Bush. You don’t have to believe he was a good president. But you do need another excuse to support your bizarre and unfounded hatred of the man. The fact that he did what anyone else in his shoes would have done just doesn’t cut it.
That's some pretty heavy bullshit to swallow. I'm not, but I will let future historians decide.
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Just Fred wrote:
I don't think any of us believe George W. Bush is the smartest human being who's ever lived. So, that only leaves one possible scenario - the truth. And the truth is that George W. Bush reacted to Iraq based on the intelligence he received combined with the fact that Saddam Hussein was restricting access to weapon’s inspectors.
You don’t have to like George W. Bush. You don’t have to believe he was a good president. But you do need another excuse to support your bizarre and unfounded hatred of the man. The fact that he did what anyone else in his shoes would have done just doesn’t cut it.
That's some pretty heavy bullshit to swallow. I'm not, but I will let future historians decide.
RE: the bolded part. Is it your opinion that Iraq was cooperating and being open?
In 2003 the UN and Bush were of exactly the same mind regarding Iraq's capability of operating massive but clandestine chem / bio weapons programs. Every inspection go-round from UNSCOM to UNMOVIC saw Iraq deny and delay but a defection or other misstep would expose a program and Iraq would say, 'whoops, you got me'.
Back then we knew how much money Saddam was skimming from oil for food and outright pocketing from illegal oil sales to Syria; there was nothing to dissuade the notion that this money was put toward WMD programs knowing Hussein's fondness for them. The UN worried about it, the USA worried about it and the human intelligence we were hearing confirmed it. (Of course now we know that Saddam Hussein was being lied to also; he also thought Iraq had an extensive WMD program).
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Goose wrote:
The rehabilitation of GWB is going to require some serious revision of history.
It is true that Hillary voted to authorize force. But, she has since come to realize, and admit that it was a mistake.
And, I have no idea what a quote by Bill Clinton in 1998 in reference to airstrikes has to do with the 2003 invasion.
That's some "interesting" writing.
1998 was a year of extreme Iraqi defiance to the UN inspectors and an ever increasing threat of force from the Clinton White House and Cabinet to make them comply. There was a constant debate of differing levels of military activity with some Democrats like John Kerry actually realizing periodic Tomahawk ejaculations were not going to disarm Saddam Hussein.
“Saddam Hussein has violated … that standard [against using weapons of mass destruction] on several occasions previously and by most people's expectation, no matter what agreement we come up with, may well do so again. The greater likelihood is that we will be called on to send our ships and our troops at one point in the future back to the Middle East to stand up to the next crisis.” (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)
So, it took 5 years, two more ignored UNSC Resolutions and a different administration in power to see through what Kerry knew to be inevitable.
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Reading the quotes in the OP remined me of on of the biggest hypocrites of the period, Senator Tom Dashle. As Senate Minority leader he got on the floor of the Senate to whip votes for the authorization of force. As Senate Majority Leader he undermined the Bush administration:
"We do know that Iraq has weaponized thousands of gallons of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. We know that Iraq maintains stockpiles of some of the world's deadliest chemical weapons, including VX, sarin, and mustard gas. We know that Iraq is developing deadlier ways to deliver these horrible weapons, including unmanned drones and long-range ballistic missiles. And we know that Saddam Hussein is committed to one day possessing nuclear weapons.
If that should happen, . . . he could become a grave threat to U.S. security and to global security. The threat posed by Saddam Hussein may not be imminent, but it is real, it is growing, and it can not be ignored. "
Tom Daschle as Senate Majority Leader in October of 2002:
SENATE FLOOR DEBATE
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“We have yet to see any evidence that Saddam still has weapons of mass destruction.”
Tom Daschle as the Senate Minority Leader in January of 2003:
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"I'm saddened, saddened that this president failed so miserably at diplomacy that we're now forced to war. Saddened that we have to give up one life because this president couldn't create the kind of diplomatic effort that was so critical for our country,"
Tom Daschle
March 17, 2003
ABC News
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Where are we going with this?
The decision to invade Iraq was a collosal mistake. The Bush administration sold it. And the Democrats voted for it.
Now what?
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Goose wrote:
Where are we going with this?
The decision to invade Iraq was a collosal mistake. The Bush administration sold it. And the Democrats voted for it.
Now what?
I see the OP's article as valid. There is a lot of convienient amnesia from Bush haters to what was the situation in 2002 / 2003. The vilification has taken on a life of its own and many who now glom on seem to be more motivated by maintaining their bona-fides with the left.
Sortakinda like how many people claim to have been at Woodstock . . .
Kudos to those on both sides that were anti-war from the beginning but it seems like many have eaten the brown acid in the ensuing years and they be trippin.
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Does anyone really believe at this juncture that we were NOT lied to about the reasons for invading Iraq ?
If so, just research the Phase II report of the Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq.
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tennyson wrote:
Does anyone really believe at this juncture that we were NOT lied to about the reasons for invading Iraq ?
If so, just research the Phase II report of the Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq.
Apparently there are still a few hangers on.