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5/22/2015 8:07 am  #1


Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

"The anti-NRA drumbeat was orchestrated because the president and his allies knew that to win they would have to demonize, defang or sideline the organization and its then-4 million members, or at least convince wavering politicians that the organization is no longer relevant."

5 million men and women from all walks of life

Read the story here:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/19/nra-debunking-the-gun-control-myths-with-real-vote/


As president of the National Rifle Association during the days following the tragic school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, I was on the front lines defending Second Amendment rights against President Barack Obama, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and a network of gun control advocates who used that tragedy to promote a gun control agenda that, had it been in place on Dec. 14, 2012, would not have prevented the tragedy.

 

Last edited by Common Sense (5/22/2015 8:07 am)


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

5/22/2015 8:30 am  #2


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

Wha i's the spring of this intense passion people feel for guns that gets them to oppose completely rational gun regulations and to believe everything the NRA tells them?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/22/2015 8:42 am  #3


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

Therea' comin' to get yar guns ! 
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/22/2015 8:44 am  #4


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

tennyson wrote:

Therea' comin' to get yar guns ! 
 

 
"They" need them to invade Texas!


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/22/2015 10:24 am  #5


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

That video was pretty cool.  I'm gonna get me one of them there handguns and keep it handy in case I suspect an invasion of 2-foot flourescent yellow metal midgets from the Amish field behind my house.

Don't laugh, it could happen.

 

5/22/2015 12:11 pm  #6


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

Gotta be able to defend the Bundy ranch, don't cha' know ! 


 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/23/2015 8:16 am  #7


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

Goose wrote:

Wha i's the spring of this intense passion people feel for guns that gets them to oppose completely rational gun regulations and to believe everything the NRA tells them?

What's the spring of the intense need to demonize gun rights advocates and assign them the blame for the actions of criminals and mental defectives?  Why is it that gun control proposals need to be couched in terms like “rational” and “common sense” and defense of gun rights gets ridiculed?

The actual legal and constitutional arguments of gun rights people are ignored (as your history here has shown) and the thought that constitutional principles determine a person’s position isn’t allowed to even be considered.  This is especially true when public figures are discussed; the only reason a politician holds a gun rights position is he/she, “is in the pocket of the NRA” . . .  Weak premises like that are relied on to appeal to weak minds, the legal / constitutional debate need never be entered; the evilness of guns and those who support gun rights is accepted and promoted and pollsters are there to record the overwhelming public support for “rational gun regulations”.

As the article states, the aftermath of the Newtown massacre was the worst of this policy bankruptcy and is what extinguished any expectation that effective policy could come out of the tragedy.
 
So we plainly see that your reaction to the OP and the article proves the article's premise.  Anti-gun rights people spend more time and energy trying to convince others that gun owners (and their evil overlord the NRA) are the real problem and the root cause of gun crime than they do actually thinking about solutions for gun crime and policies that directly address gun crime.

That all your comments amount to is the usual, worn-out demagoguery, demonstrates the criminal justice policies of the left have more to do with social engineering toward a political end than solving actual problems.

Combine the left’s longtime hostility for lawful gun ownership, gun rights and gun rights organizations, with the left’s recent support for law-breakers and their demonization for law enforcement it is clear who the left fears . . .  

They would rather dismiss the havoc caused by the murderers, rapists, rioters and robbers walking in their midst, and then, without embarrassment, tell everyone that both police and gun rights people are the savages for exercising the right of self-defense against the lawless horde they protect and nurture. 

That tells me that leftists believe the chaos, damage and pain caused by criminals is less of a problem for, or a threat to, “their” society then men and women who protect society or for private citizens, believe in the Constitution and themselves to be free and independent, and act accordingly. 

That you actually recognize that dissonance and just how dangerous it is to civil society and how morally bankrupt that is, is what explains your hostility and projection; it is hardly “rational” no matter how much you try to condition yourself that it is.



And a content deprived reply containing the phrases "word salad", "penis substitute" and "gun woshipper"  in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 . . .
 

 

5/23/2015 8:30 am  #8


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

Good lord, Jeer, take a deep breath and walk it back a bit..

Do you really believe that someone who wants background checks is "morally bankrupt" and "would rather dismiss the havoc caused by the murderers, rapists, rioters and robbers walking in their midst, and then, without embarrassment, tell everyone that both police and gun rights people are the savages for exercising the right of self-defense against the lawless horde they protect and nurture". 

Frankly, I'm at a loss. Your comments are insane. Frighteningly, hatefully, insane.

If you have something to add to the conversation sir, kindly do it without all the baiting, the cliches about "the left", , the sweeping condemnations of the morals of other posters, and all of  the personal nonsense that the above post contains.
Maybe then it would be worthy of a response.

The goal here is to discuss the issues of the day in an atmosphere of mutual respect, not to indulge in pointless quarrels and expressions of condemnation and hatred of your fellow posters.

Oh, and for God's sake, turn off Fox!

Last edited by Goose (5/23/2015 9:30 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/23/2015 8:37 am  #9


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

tennyson wrote:

Gotta be able to defend the Bundy ranch, don't cha' know ! 


 

What in the world is going on with this country?
Guns are the most obvious sign of a collective insanity that has infected the right.
Maybe it's the Fox effect?
 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/23/2015 10:44 am  #10


Re: Debunking the gun control myths with real voter polling

Goose wrote:

What in the world is going on with this country?
Guns are the most obvious sign of a collective insanity that has infected the right.
Maybe it's the Fox effect?

How does this post not meet all the criteria you decry?

Are you that blind to you using cliches about the opposition, sweeping generalizations about motivations and personal attacks? 

Why should anyone take anything you say seriously?
 

 

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