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5/04/2015 9:13 pm  #21


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

Today I became aware that the Pennsylvania Primary next year will be April 26.

Our votes will most likely be irrelevant by then, the winner having been determined on "Super Tuesday" in early March or even at the "mini super Tuesday" on February 2.

So I intended to watch this with mild curiosity and major apathy.

Last edited by Tarnation (5/04/2015 9:14 pm)


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5/05/2015 9:40 am  #22


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

Do you know why PA sets its primary when they do?

It seems a shame. PA has a lot of delegates award to a candidate. If the primary were a bit earlier the state would be quite a bit more relevant, and it's citizens' voices more loudly heard.


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5/05/2015 10:57 am  #23


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

Anyone for a unified primary voting day ?? 
 


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5/05/2015 11:12 am  #24


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

tennyson wrote:

Anyone for a unified primary voting day ?? 
 

I'm against it becuase a national primary day makes the nomination a giant media race and I'd rather see candidates slog through the frozen corn fields of Iowa than run billion dollar TV ad campaigns to make their case to voters.

 


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5/05/2015 11:20 am  #25


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

TheLagerLad wrote:

tennyson wrote:

Anyone for a unified primary voting day ?? 
 

I'm against it becuase a national primary day makes the nomination a giant media race and I'd rather see candidates slog through the frozen corn fields of Iowa than run billion dollar TV ad campaigns to make their case to voters.

 

Is there any way that you can see that what your desire as well as not having states like Pa (as noted in previous post) feel like they are out of the loop when they finally get their primary in ?  

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/05/2015 11:29 am  #26


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

tennyson wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

tennyson wrote:

Anyone for a unified primary voting day ?? 
 

I'm against it becuase a national primary day makes the nomination a giant media race and I'd rather see candidates slog through the frozen corn fields of Iowa than run billion dollar TV ad campaigns to make their case to voters.

 

Is there any way that you can see that what your desire as well as not having states like Pa (as noted in previous post) feel like they are out of the loop when they finally get their primary in ?  

 

Look, some state(s) is/are going to be left out. Personally, I don't have a problem with Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina taking the lead. Yes, those states are underrepresented in terms of minorityvoters, but otherwise constitute a good representative sampling of the U.S. population (if you don't care so much about the rocky mountain and west coast states I guess).

As a PA voter, would I like to have a litte bit of a say in the nominating process? Sure, but I can't think of an election where Pennsylvania would have been a major turning point in the outcome of a nomination if only we had gone earlier.
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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5/05/2015 11:35 am  #27


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Pretty good analysis on Huckabee entering the race......

Huckabee Is Ted Cruz’s Nightmare

It’s unclear what’s in the water in Hope, Arkansas, but that Bill Clinton and Huck are both from the same hamlet is nothing short of miraculous. Put aside the snake oil salesman stuff, and the numerous ridiculous things Huckabee has said to get attention, and you’re left with a man who is essentially the love child of Clinton and Ronald Reagan. I recently argued that only the great politicians like The Gipper and Bubba can oscillate between indignation and compassion. Well, guess what: Huckabee can do both, too. This is a guy who’s so compelling he actually got Jon Stewart to question his own abortion stance.

“I’m a conservative; I’m just not mad about it,” he often quips. Except he can be mad about it—or feign anger, at least. So he can play the reasonable conservative or he can hurl red meat. As they say in football, he can play both sides of the ball. In 2008, Huckabee came out of nowhere to wow us in the debates. The competition will be stiffer this time around, but he can do it again.

The fact that Huckabee is a good communicator—and that he can appeal to evangelical Christians, a hugely important constituency in Iowa—is not exactly the most novel observation. But I think there are two additional things Huckabee has going for him that are not as widely appreciated.

The first is that he spent the last several years as a Fox News host. Now, let’s be honest: It’s unlikely that many people reading this have ever watched Huckabee’s Saturday night show—except to see if he was going to announce for president (or for purely ironic purposes). And I’m not even suggesting you were watching Girls instead. A lot of us who watch Fox shows like Special Report wouldn’t think to turn on Huckabee.

But millions of Americans did watch his show—and guess what? Many of these same Americans will vote in Republican primaries. I think we probably underestimate the impact of hosting a weekly show on Fox News.

Lastly, though, I think there is a huge underserved constituency in the GOP—and that constituency is what might best be termed populist conservatives. These folks tend to be white and working-class and who feel they’ve been left behind in America. They are culturally conservative—but they also want to keep government out of their Medicare.

Mitt Romney was arguably the worst candidate Republicans could have ever nominated to appeal to this constituency. But while candidates like Huckabee and Rick Santorum flirted with going full populist, something always seemed to keep them from really doubling down on it.

One can only assume this is because there is a ceiling on how much populist demagoguery one is permitted to dole out—and still remain a Republican in good standing. There’s a fine line between attacking the “fat cats” and engaging in class warfare, and one doesn’t want to get on the wrong side of that line. But having cashed in, and now finding himself in his post-radio, and possibly post-TV phase, Huckabee might well decide it’s time to throw caution to the wind.

.......The last time someone really tried this was when “Pitchfork” Pat Buchanan, and then Ross Perot, ran in 1992. It resonated then, but that was before the “giant sucking sound” really kicked in. Whether it’s globalization or immigration—or whatever “-ation” might have taken your job—it stands to reason that the same grassroots phenomenon that helped Buchanan and Perot tap into an underserved constituency might be even more potent today.

Already known as a tax-and-spender, Mike Huckabee isn’t soon going to win over Steve Forbes or Larry Kudlow or The Club for Growth, so why try? There are tons of Americans out there listening to country radio, clinging to God and guns…and government.

The other day, when New Jersey Governor Chris Christie proposed some fairly modest reforms to save social security (means testing and raising the retirement age to 69), ostensibly conservative readers weighed in against it on the Facebook page of the Daily Caller, where I work.

“I’m entitled to social security because it’s MY money that I have given to the govt since I was 16 years old with the PROMISE I would get it back when I was older. FU Christie.” Yes, this is anecdotal—but this comment was also representative of a lot of comments on that particular post. A lot of conservatives appear to believe there is some lockbox where “their” money is being saved for their retirement.

A few days later came this headline from the Weekly Standard: “Huckabee Bashes Republican Plans to Reform Medicare and Social Security.” As Huckabee himself told The Daily Beast over the weekend, “I’m getting slammed by some in the GOP ruling class for thinking it wrong to involuntarily take money from people’s paychecks for 50 years and then not keep the promise government made.”

Some of the same underlying trends behind the excitement over Elizabeth Warren are present, if dormant, on the right. So how can Huckabee break away from the pack? Most free market conservatives I know agree that “crony capitalism” is a problem. This has become boilerplate language you can expect from everyone from Marco Rubio to Ted Cruz, and it’s a kind of flirting with populism.

But Huckabee appears poised to do what no other Republican will have the ability or the inclination to do—and that is to go full populist in a way that acknowledges the fact that a lot of folks need the government’s help, that resents the fact that the game has been rigged by the rich and the corporations, yet still embraces a culturally conservative lifestyle. This will provoke serious pushback from the libertarian and pro-business wings of the conservative coalition. But if he does it—if he sticks to it—out there in the hinterland, there’ll be a market for it.

Get your pitchforks ready.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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5/05/2015 11:39 am  #28


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

TheLagerLad wrote:

tennyson wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:


I'm against it becuase a national primary day makes the nomination a giant media race and I'd rather see candidates slog through the frozen corn fields of Iowa than run billion dollar TV ad campaigns to make their case to voters.

 

Is there any way that you can see that what your desire as well as not having states like Pa (as noted in previous post) feel like they are out of the loop when they finally get their primary in ?  

 

Look, some state(s) is/are going to be left out. Personally, I don't have a problem with Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina taking the lead. Yes, those states are underrepresented in terms of minorityvoters, but otherwise constitute a good representative sampling of the U.S. population (if you don't care so much about the rocky mountain and west coast states I guess).

As a PA voter, would I like to have a litte bit of a say in the nominating process? Sure, but I can't think of an election where Pennsylvania would have been a major turning point in the outcome of a nomination if only we had gone earlier.
 

I look at some of the procedures such as Iowa Caucuses as a political oddity and one that is there more there to gain money and journalism attention to a process that otherwise would not be noteworthy at all. 

Hard to tell IF the Pa primary would be earlier if it would have a bearing or not.  Think Santorum would have fared better in the past if PA primary were earlier ? (BTW I am NOT a Santorum fan) 

 


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5/06/2015 9:32 am  #29


Re: GOP Presidential Field Continues to Grow

Even though Jeb Bush has not announced his plans to run for President in 2016 (saw a good article WHY he has not announced in that it allows him to raise money more easily with fewer restrictions) it is expected by most that he WILL announce. 

Assuming he does, I notice some here think he may be a front runner. He well might be, BUT the following article does not bode well for him in terms of some of the initial polling as well as his general support from the Repuclican Party itself. 

Poll: Jeb Bush trails most of Republican field in Iowa

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/06/politics/poll-iowa-quinnipiac-election-2016/index.html
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/06/2015 9:40 am  #30


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tennyson wrote:

Even though Jeb Bush has not announced his plans to run for President in 2016 (saw a good article WHY he has not announced in that it allows him to raise money more easily with fewer restrictions) it is expected by most that he WILL announce. 

Assuming he does, I notice some here think he may be a front runner. He well might be, BUT the following article does not bode well for him in terms of some of the initial polling as well as his general support from the Repuclican Party itself. 

Poll: Jeb Bush trails most of Republican field in Iowa

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/06/politics/poll-iowa-quinnipiac-election-2016/index.html
 

 
The crowded field will work to Jeb's advantage.
Maybe 45%  don't think he's conservative enough, but they may spread their votes over 6 or more other candidates,,,,,


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

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