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1/31/2018 9:10 am  #11


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

Ooopppsss . . . In between Trump’s self congratulatory TelePrompTer reading and basking in the partisan cheers and clapping he mentioned many of his “accomplishments”. Unfortunately, the Liar-In-Chief Trump had some of his “facts” wrong. Here is the AP Fact Check of his talk:

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's claims in his State of Union address

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The AP is fact-checking remarks from President Donald Trump's State of the Union speech. Here's a look at some of the claims we've examined (quotations from the speech as delivered or as released by the White House before delivery):

WAGE GAINS

TRUMP: "After years and years of wage stagnation, we are finally seeing rising wages."

THE FACTS: Actually, they are not rising any faster than they have before. Average hourly pay rose 2.5 percent in 2017, slightly slower than the 2.9 percent increase recorded in 2016.

Most economists say wages should increase at a faster rate as the unemployment rate drops. The unemployment rate stands at a 17-year low of 4.1 percent, but that has done little so far to spark rising wages.

The last time unemployment was this low, in the late 1990s, average hourly pay was rising at a 4 percent pace.

DIVERSITY VISAS

TRUMP: "The third pillar (of my immigration plan) ends the visa lottery — a program that randomly hands out green cards without any regard to skill, merit or the safety of our people."

THE FACTS: That's a highly misleading characterization. The program is not nearly that random and it does address skills, merit and safety.

The diversity visa program awards up to 50,000 green cards a year to people from underrepresented countries, largely in Africa. It requires applicants to have completed a high school education or have at least two years of experience in the last five years in a selection of fields identified by the Labor Department.

Winners are then randomly selected by computer, from that pool of applicants who met the pre-conditions. Winners must submit to extensive background checks, just like any other immigrant.

COAL

TRUMP: "We have ended the war on beautiful clean coal."

THE FACTS: Coal is not clean. According to the Energy Department, more than 83 percent of all major air pollutants — sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide, toxic mercury and dangerous soot particles — from power plants are from coal, even though coal makes up only 43 percent of the power generation. Power plants are the No. 1 source of those pollutants.

Coal produces nearly twice as much heat-trapping carbon dioxide per energy created as natural gas, the department says.

In 2011, coal burning emitted more than 6 million tons of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides versus 430,000 tons from other energy sources combined.

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

TRUMP: "The first pillar of our framework generously offers a path to citizenship for 1.8 million illegal immigrants who were brought here by their parents at a young age — that covers almost three times more people than the previous administration."

THE FACTS: Not so. The Obama administration pushed legal status for many more immigrants and was prevented by Congress and the courts from offering it. A 2013 bill that passed the Senate but died in the House would have bestowed legal status on about 8 million people, according to a Congressional Budget Office estimate.

In 2014, the Obama administration announced an expanded program that included parents of young immigrants who were shielded from deportation under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. According to the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, the measure would have given legal status to up to 4 million people. The Supreme Court deadlocked on the plan, letting a lower court ruling stand that blocked it.

TERRORISTS

TRUMP: "In the past, we have foolishly released hundreds and hundreds of dangerous terrorists only to meet them again on the battlefield, including the ISIS leader, (Abu Bakr) al-Baghdadi, who we captured, who we had, who we released."

THE FACTS: Trump is correct that al-Baghdadi had been released after being detained at Abu Ghraib and Camp Bucca, U.S. detention facilities in Iraq. But Trump made his comment while announcing that he had signed an executive order to keep open the controversial U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. If he meant that "hundreds and hundreds" of Guantanamo detainees had been released only to return to the battlefield, his math is off.

The office of the Director of National Intelligence said this summer in its most recent report on the subject that of the 728 detainees who have been released from Guantanamo, 122 are "confirmed" and 90 are "suspected" of re-engaging in hostile activities.

MS-13

TRUMP: "We have sent thousands and thousands and thousands of MS-13 horrible people out of this country or into our prisons."

THE FACTS: That's an exaggeration and goes beyond how even how Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the Trump administration's most aggressive anti-gang enforcer, characterizes the scope of the effort.

Sessions said in a speech this week that federal authorities had secured the convictions of nearly 500 human traffickers and 1,200 gang members, "and worked with our international allies to arrest or charge more than 4,000 MS-13 members." On other occasions, the attorney general has specifically said the 4,000 number reflects work done with "our partners in Central America."

That suggests that at least some of the MS-13 members Trump is referring to weren't actually in the U.S when they were arrested, and aren't now in U.S. prisons.

OPIOIDS

TRUMP: Changes in immigration policies, including more border security, "will also support our response to the terrible crisis of opioid and drug addiction."

THE FACTS: Drugs being brought across borders are only part of the problem contributing to the nation's opioid crisis.

According to the U.S. Centers on Disease Control and Prevention, about 40 percent of the opioid deaths in 2016 involved prescription painkillers. Those drugs are made by pharmaceutical companies. Some are abused by the people who have prescriptions; others are stolen and sold on the black market.

The flow of heroin into the U.S. from Mexico is a major problem, but drugs that are brought from other countries don't all come over land borders. Illicit versions of powerful synthetic opioids such as fentanyl, which are a major factor in rising overdose numbers, are being shipped directly to the U.S. from China.

TRUMP: "My administration is committed to fighting the drug epidemic and helping get treatment for those in need."

THE FACTS: The bipartisan National Governors Association doesn't think he's lived up to that commitment. Earlier this month, the governors called on Trump and Congress to do more to pay for and coordinate a response to the opioid epidemic.

The Trump administration has allowed states to begin allowing states to seek permission to use Medicaid to cover addiction treatment in larger facilities — a measure advocates say is needed.

VETERANS

TRUMP: "Last year, the Congress passed, and I signed, the landmark VA Accountability Act. Since its passage, my administration has already removed more than 1,500 VA employees who failed to give our veterans the care they deserve."

THE FACTS: This statement is inaccurate. It's true that more than 1,500 firings at the VA have occurred so far during the Trump administration. But more than 500 of those firings occurred from Jan. 20, when Trump took office, to late June, when the new accountability law began to take effect. That means roughly one-third of the 1,500 firings cannot be attributed to the new law.

Congress passed the legislation last June making it easier to fire VA employees and shortening the time employees have to challenge disciplinary actions. But the law's impact on improving accountability at the department remains unclear: More VA employees were fired in former President Barack Obama's last budget year, for instance, than in Trump's first.

BORDER SECURITY

TRUMP: "For decades, open borders have allowed drugs and gangs to pour into our most vulnerable communities."

THE FACTS: "Open borders" is an exaggeration. Border arrests, a useful if imperfect gauge of illegal crossings, have dropped sharply over the last decade.

The government under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama roughly doubled the ranks of the Border Patrol, and Bush extended fencing to cover nearly one-third of the border during his final years in office. The Obama administration deported more than 2 million immigrants during the eight years he was in office, more than in previous administrations.

Studies over several years have found immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States.

FAMILY IMMIGRATION

TRUMP: "Under the current broken system, a single immigrant can bring in virtually unlimited numbers of distant relatives."

THE FACTS: It's not happening because the waiting list is so long.

There is currently no wait for U.S. citizens to bring spouses, children under 21 and parents. But citizens must petition for siblings and adult children, and green-card card holders must do the same for spouses and children.

On Nov. 1, there were 4 million people in line for family-based visas, according to the State Department. The waits are longest for China, India, Mexico and the Philippines. In January, Mexican siblings of U.S. children who applied in November 1997 were getting called, a wait of more than 20 years.

An immigrant could theoretically bring an uncle by bringing a parent who then brings his sibling, but the wait would be interminable for most.

OBAMA'S HEALTH LAW

TRUMP: "We repealed the core of the disastrous Obamacare — the individual mandate is now gone."

THE FACTS: No, it's not gone. It's going, in 2019. People who go without insurance this year are still subject to fines.

Congress did repeal the unpopular requirement that most Americans carry insurance or risk a tax penalty but that takes effect next year.

It's a far cry from what Trump and the GOP-led Congress set out to do last year, which was to scrap most of the sweeping Obama-era health law and replace it with a Republican alternative. The GOP blueprint would have left millions more Americans uninsured, making it even more unpopular than "Obamacare."

Other major parts of the overhaul remain in place, including its Medicaid expansion, protections for people with pre-existing conditions, guaranteed "essential" health benefits, and subsidized private health insurance for people with modest incomes.

AUTOS

TRUMP: "Many car companies are now building and expanding plants in the United States — something we have not seen for decades."

THE FACTS: He's wrong about recent decades. The auto industry has regularly been opening and expanding factories since before became president. Toyota opened its Mississippi factory in 2011. Hyundai's plant in Alabama dates to 2005. In 2010, Tesla fully acquired and updated an old factory to produce its electric vehicles.

Trump also declared that "Chrysler is moving a major plant from Mexico to Michigan." That's not exactly the case, either. Chrysler announced it will move production of heavy-duty pickup trucks from Mexico to Michigan, but the plant is not closing in Mexico. It will start producing other vehicles for global sales and no change in its workforce is anticipated.

ISLAMIC STATE

TRUMP: "Last year I pledged that we would work with our allies to extinguish ISIS from the face of the earth. One year later, I'm proud to report that the coalition to defeat ISIS has liberated almost 100 percent of the territory once held by these killers in Iraq and Syria. But there is much more work to be done. We will continue our fight until ISIS is defeated."

THE FACTS: Although it's true that the Islamic State has lost nearly 100 percent of the territory it held in Syria and Iraq when the U.S. began airstrikes in both countries in 2014, Syria remains wracked by civil war, with much of that country controlled by the government of Russian ally Syrian President Bashar Assad and not by U.S.-allied groups. The Iraqi government has declared itself fully liberated from IS.

The progress cited by Trump did not start with his presidency. The U.S.-led coalition recaptured much land, including several key cities in Iraq, before he took office. And the assault on Mosul, which was the extremists' main stronghold in northern Iraq, was begun during the Obama administration. But in the past year the counter-ISIS campaign has accelerated, based largely on the approach Trump inherited.

He's right that more remains to be done to eliminate IS as an extremist threat, even after it has been defeated militarily. The group is still able to inspire attacks in the West based on its ideology, and it is trying to make inroads in places like Afghanistan and Libya.

MIDDLE-CLASS TAXES

TRUMP: "Our massive tax cuts provide tremendous relief for the middle class and small businesses."

THE FACTS: That depends on how you define "tremendous." The biggest beneficiaries from the tax law are wealthy Americans and corporations.

Most Americans will pay less in taxes this year. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimates that about 80 percent of U.S. households will get a tax cut, with about 15 percent seeing little change and 5 percent paying more.

Middle-class households — defined as those making between roughly $49,000 and $86,000 a year — will see their tax bills drop by about $930, the Tax Policy Center calculates. That will lift their after-tax incomes by 1.6 percent.

The richest 1 percent, meanwhile, will save $51,140, lifting their after-tax incomes by 3.4 percent, or more than twice as much as the middle class.

ENERGY EXPORTS

TRUMP: "We are now an exporter of energy to the world."

THE FACTS: There's nothing new in that: The U.S. has long exported all sorts of energy, while importing even more. If Trump meant that the U.S. has become a net exporter of energy, he's rushing things along. The U.S. Energy Information Administration projects that the U.S. will become a net energy exporter in the next decade, primarily because of a boom in oil and gas production that began before Trump's presidency. The Trump White House has predicted that could happen sooner, by 2020. But that's not "now."

TAX CUTS

TRUMP: "We enacted the biggest tax cuts and reform in American history."

THE FACTS: No truer now than in the countless other times he has said the same. The December tax overhaul ranks behind Ronald Reagan's in the early 1980s, post-World War II tax cuts and at least several more.

An analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget in the fall put Trump's package as the eighth biggest since 1918. As a percentage of the total economy, Reagan's 1981 cut is the biggest followed by the 1945 rollback of taxes that financed World War II.

Valued at $1.5 trillion over 10 years, the plan is indeed large and expensive. But it's much smaller than originally intended. Back in the spring, it was shaping up as a $5.5 trillion package. Even then it would have only been the third largest since 1940 as a share of gross domestic product.

WORKER BONUSES

TRUMP: "Since we passed tax cuts, roughly 3 million workers have already gotten tax cut bonuses — many of them thousands of dollars per worker."

THE FACTS: This appears to be true, but may not be as impressive as it sounds. According to a tally of public announcements by Americans for Tax Reform, a conservative group that supported the tax law, about 3 million workers have gotten bonuses, raises or larger payments to their retirement accounts since the tax law was signed.

That's about 2 percent of the more than 154 million Americans with jobs. The Labor Department said before the tax package was signed into law that 38 percent of workers would likely get some form of bonus in 2017.

Few companies have granted across-the-board pay raises, which Trump and GOP leaders promised would result from the cut in corporate tax rates included in the overhaul. Many, such as Walmart and BB&T Bank, said they will raise their minimum wages. Walmart made similar announcements in 2015 and 2016.

ENERGY PRODUCTION

TRUMP: "We have ended the war on American energy - and we have ended the war on clean coal."

THE FACTS: Energy production was unleashed in past administrations, particularly Barack Obama's, making accusations of a "war on energy" hard to sustain. Advances in hydraulic fracturing before Trump became president made it economical to tap vast reserves of natural gas. Oil production also greatly increased, reducing imports.

Before the 2016 presidential election, the U.S. for the first time in decades was getting more energy domestically than it imports. Before Obama, George W. Bush was no adversary of the energy industry.

One of Trump's consequential actions as president on this front was to approve the Keystone XL pipeline — a source of foreign oil, from Canada.


Despite all the misleading rhetoric, Trump and his allies are touting this 90 minutes of BS as an enlightened discourse on how strong our union is, how much our allies love us, how compassionate Trump is, how much he is in favor of bipartisan actions in DC, everything short of asking the Pope to declare him a saint. With all the clapping, cheering, and adoring looks from his VP and Speaker of the House, Trump’s speech was a mind numbing indication of his disassociation from reality. His biggest problem is his distinct inability to put his words into action.

 

1/31/2018 9:21 am  #12


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

I watched the SOTU. Big on rah-rah and almost completely absent of substantive policy.

Of the two big policy initiatives he brought up, infrastructure with a mish-mash of nothing (private-public partnerships, faster permitting) and while his immigration proposal sounds reasonable on the surface, Trump is too unreliable, unpredictable, and has little understanding of the complexities of the issue to be relied on to take it to the finish line.

The speech will be thrown into the ash heap of history, like most SOTU addresses.

Although I should note that I found it hysterical that when Trump was telling the story of the bronze star soldier, he referred to the fellow soldier he saved as a "comrade".


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

1/31/2018 9:49 am  #13


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

I watched about 60% or so of the speech and agree with all that Lager said. 

I DID watch the CNN review of the speech which I though was a very good review and analysis other than the occasional over talking of one another which is always annoying but predictable when so many people were involved.  Overall they gave Trump good marks as a speech but noted that little has a chance of making it through Congress in any substantial form which is pretty much on par for most 2nd year agendas. The fact checkers are alway good to help wade through the typical pie in the sky of SOTU speeches (thanks to Rongone for his recap above as well) 


Although Trump tried to spark unity the speech did little to inspire those who were on the fence or opposed to him to get on board and I would guess that it was one more turnoff for those folks. 

The one good thing he has going for himself is the economy and the further tax cuts that most Americas will receive. In balancing that, however, against the overvalued markets, the tariffs which will raise most Americans expense, and the addition to the debt for our future generations, we will have to see how that whole thing plays out. It reminds me of more just kicking the can down the road while lining corporate profits at least as I see it. 

As in ALL SOTU addresses, words are one thing, but actions are the final arbiter. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

1/31/2018 6:33 pm  #14


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

The Trump promise of a path to citizenship for DACA folks is something he cannot deliver.
The republican house, and his base will freak


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/31/2018 10:38 pm  #15


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

Goose wrote:

The Trump promise of a path to citizenship for DACA folks is something he cannot deliver.
The republican house, and his base will freak

I'm not so sure.

The bar for DACAns to be become citizens is very high:  Education, employment, staying squeaky-clean for at least 10 years.

The base is assuming that the path to citizenship is something that most of the DACA folks will not be able to achieve.
 


Life is an Orthros.
 

2/01/2018 7:15 am  #16


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

The bar for DACAns to be become citizens is very high:  Education, employment, staying squeaky-clean for at least 10 years.

The base is assuming that the path to citizenship is something that most of the DACA folks will not be able to achieve.


It would be interesting to see if the Trump voter 'base' could meet the same criteria.

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2/01/2018 7:32 am  #17


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

Just Fred wrote:

The bar for DACAns to be become citizens is very high:  Education, employment, staying squeaky-clean for at least 10 years.

The base is assuming that the path to citizenship is something that most of the DACA folks will not be able to achieve.


It would be interesting to see if the Trump voter 'base' could meet the same criteria.

You raise a very intriguing issue:   Should citizenship for ANYONE--natural born or otherwise--be permanent?

Constitutionally, of course, it must; and worldwide nations bestow citizenship more or less irrevocably.

But is that the best way?   Or should citizenship be subject to periodic (say, 10 year) renewal with each renewal requiring a basic civics knowledge test, criminal background check, etc?   What then would become of those who failed the criteria for renewal?   Taxpayers without franchise?  "Second class citizens"?


 


Life is an Orthros.
 

2/01/2018 1:01 pm  #18


Re: Preparing for the State of the Union Address

Checking various news sources. It appears that the State of the Union Address, whether you think it helped or hurt Trump, is already ancient history.
That speech has become much ado about nothing.
Of course, that won't stop the media, or Presidents, in future years from making a big deal out of the SOTU.

Last edited by Goose (2/01/2018 1:02 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

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