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12/13/2017 5:49 am  #11


Re: Alabama Predictions

I've never been so happy to be wrong in my life!

What a stunning "accomplishment". Steve Bannon and the Trumpers managed to nominate a republican so toxic that he could lose in Alabama. They passed over two very reliably conservative candidates in the primary because they wanted the batshit crazy guy who said outrageous things in a folksy way. Let's face it. You, in your rage, nominated a terrible candidate.

Interesting observation from a pundit. We may have entered an age where a republican can't win the primary unless he's a crazy Trump and can't win the general if he is. Trump did, in fact manage to endorse TWO losers in this race!

Trumps might learn from this, but they won't. Here it is. You need to give up on this "We get everything, and the hell with everybody else." There just aren't enough of you to dictate terms to the rest of the country. You 
Might be able to say screw the democrats. But you can't say screw the democrats,, AND the moderates, and McConnell, and McCain, and Corker, and women, and minorities, immigrants, people who care about clean air, our allies,,,,,,,,,,,

Trump/Bannonism will destroy the GOP.

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

12/13/2017 6:21 am  #12


Re: Alabama Predictions

When Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's senate seat in Massachusetts in 2010, democrats failed to see that it was a coming wave.

I think that Trumpers will be similarly blind to this.
They belligerance, the to hell with everyone else, the flirtation with authoritarianism and racism,,,,,,,,
Trumpers, you may have succeeded in achieving nothing more than to awaken a sleeping giant and to fill it with a terrible resolve,,,,,,,,,,

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12/13/2017 8:20 am  #13


Re: Alabama Predictions

I had predicted that Moore would win by 4. I'm still stunned that Jones won. This is a great day for America and especially Alabama.

Yesterday's vote in Alabama was a rejection of Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Louis Gohmert, Steve King,  the alt-right, Sean Hannity, racism, populism, hypocrisy, misogyny, nationalism, and the Republican party in 2017.  

I couldn't be happier this morning. 

You know, I've never been an overly partisan person. Well, at least not in the last ten years or so. I've always been happy to listen to both sides of an issue and make an informed decision. But things have changed.

Last month, we had our off-year general election. A couple of judges, a school board position, and all the county Row Offices were on the ballot. All of the incumbents were Republicans. Now typically, I am a, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" kind of guy when it comes to local elections. I don't care if my Recorder of Deeds is a Republican. Just record the deeds and do it well. My county runs well, there are no issues in local government that cause me any concern, and taxes stay generally flat. So typically I would just give everyone another term and be done with it.

But it's different now. A Republican Party led by a person who I consider to be at least somewhat insane repulses me. A republican party leadership that thew overboard the most basic tenants of conservatism for a loudmouth know-nothing huckster in an attempt to remain in power (I'm looking at you Paul Ryan, Lindsay Graham, Newt Gingrich, etc) disgusts me. A Republican Party that cannot call out a President who says racists in Charlottesville "are good people" or a senate candidate who says, "American was great in the era of slavery" is not a party that I would trust to run the local dog pound, much less run our national security apparatus, or military, or to protect our social safety net.

So when I voted last month, it felt good in the pit of my stomach to vote against each and every one of those republicans (except for the DA who actually earned another term with how he handled a major tragedy during the summer). And it felt good to vote for each of the democrats to replace them. We need to turn this country around and the quicker the better.

Anything we can do to refute Trumpism and those who follow him. 

 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

12/13/2017 9:34 am  #14


Re: Alabama Predictions

I blew it too considering my only prediction in this election was that Alabama would be the laughing stock of the nation. Well they tried, BUT even the slim majority still believed in decency over politics. There may be hope afterall that we a citizens CAN still make good choices. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

12/13/2017 9:58 am  #15


Re: Alabama Predictions

I was a republican until 2008. Didn't switch because of Obama. I gradually became disillusioned with the Limbaugh/Hannity anti-reason, anti-science, white nationalist strain of the party. The nuts were always there. But they weren't driving the car until then.
For me, like lager, anything that destroys that cancer and restores sanity, respect and collaboration can't come soon enough.


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12/13/2017 10:06 am  #16


Re: Alabama Predictions

Q. So, what is the scariest thing that a republican could hear in 2018?

A. "President Trump has endorsed you".


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12/13/2017 1:03 pm  #17


Re: Alabama Predictions

I was happy, too.  The only thing that disturbs me had to do with this:  98% of black women voted for Jones while 35% of white women did.  Tells me that racism may have been more important to many and not sexual misconduct.  We still have work to do and a long way to go.

Also, I believe the voter turnout was somewhere around 25% ( I might be wrong on that), but democracy only works best when EVERYBODY participates.   

 

12/13/2017 2:01 pm  #18


Re: Alabama Predictions

Just Fred wrote:

I was happy, too.  The only thing that disturbs me had to do with this:  98% of black women voted for Jones while 35% of white women did.  Tells me that racism may have been more important to many and not sexual misconduct.  We still have work to do and a long way to go.

Also, I believe the voter turnout was somewhere around 25% ( I might be wrong on that), but democracy only works best when EVERYBODY participates.   

The turnout was 40%. The Alabama secretary of state had originally thought the turnout would be 15% before the allegations against Moore came out. Then they projected 25%. So 40% was much more than expected.

The other statistical anomaly that I haven't heard much about was who voted for a write-in candidate. Assuming republicans chose to write in someone else instead of Moore, many of which could have been white women, the number could be skewed.
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

12/13/2017 3:13 pm  #19


Re: Alabama Predictions

Thanks for the clarification, Lager.  But, still, 40% is still too low.  As rongone has said several times, we get the government we deserve.

Maybe Americans have become jaded thinking it doesn't matter if they vote or not, or voting during a presidential campaign is all the matters.  If we want elected officials to get nervous and pay attention to us, we need a 90%+ turnout in every election.

 

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