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10/25/2017 5:17 am  #1


Is The Republican Party Dying?

Don't get excited. I am NOT predicting that the party will dissolve. And the people who control the Presidency, Congress, and the majority of state houses will continue to call themselves republicans.

But, something has changed. Mainstream or establishment republicans are in decline. Free-fall. Corker and Flake are leaving. Sadly, we will likely lose John McCain. And, incredibly, republicans are cheering that a guy like Flake - a man with impeccable conservative credentials - is going, and siding with a serial liar with very suspect conservative credentials.  Strange. What we are seeing right now is not the acsendancy of American conservatism.
No, we are seeing nativism, populism, nationalism, anti-intellectualism, and militarism (I won't say fascism because it upsets some so much).

People who have spent their entire lives defending values like honesty, dignity, empathy, piety, have tossed it all for a cult of personality, and an ideology of resentment and destruction.

So, what happens next? Does the middle strike back, or does their decline continue? The cowardice displayed by the likes of Ryan and McConnell in the face of this assault on our values is not reassuring. Do traditional conservatives stay with the Republican party out of habit or for a shared past? Do they start their own party?

Now, before some go crazy, I want to clearly state that I am NOT predicting some huge windfall for Democrats.
I am NOT anticipating a great uprising by the moderates of this country. (I gave up on that cherished myth long ago).
I believe that the politics of this country will increasingly be dominated by both fringes. 

Last edited by Goose (10/25/2017 5:19 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

10/25/2017 9:10 am  #2


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

Imploding would be a more accurate description. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

10/26/2017 12:58 pm  #3


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

The Republican Party is being pulled in a lot of different directions. It's evolving...sometimes violently. Kind of a Jekyll and Hyde thing.

The one thing that seems to define *many* (not all) Republicans is a belief that at some point in the past, things were better. For example, you have those who believe we were stronger economically and/or militarily in the past:

"Americans made things."
"We weren't in debt."
"We were respected around the world."
"I kept more of what I earned."

Then you have the Judeo-Christian values crowd:

"Families stayed together."
"Men were men, and women were women."
"Children respected their elders."
"We were one nation, under God."
"People stood for the Star-Spangled Banner."

And then there are the bigots, nationalists, racists, misogynists, and people who think that their hateful ideologies should be the basis of our country's laws.

So with respect to these examples and others, Republicans want to return to a time when things were subjectively better. Their tolerances vary wildly - some are willing to tolerate the more hateful and bigoted elements and will vote for a Republican no matter what, others will remain Republican but will only vote for the more moderate party candidates, and others are jumping ship in protest of what they see as the more hateful and bigoted elements of the party taking over.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

10/26/2017 1:54 pm  #4


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

I think Doug has hit upon something here. One can’t continually live in or dwell on the past. The “good old days” are only good in retrospect, but not looking forward only breeds an anger with the present.

As George Harrison once said: “All things must pass

Change is inevitable — except from a vending machine. ~Robert C. Gallagher

When you are through changing, you are through. ~Bruce Barton

He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery. ~Harold Wilson

The past is the present, and the present the future, to the non-progressive mind. ~James Lendall
Basford


Or, for those who just can’t accept that things must change:

I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed. ~George Carlin

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10/26/2017 2:01 pm  #5


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

I agree. Outstanding post, Doug.
I think that your observations are spot on.
The appeal of an idealized past is powerful.
And, while you cannot bring that past back (And it wasn't even the past that you choose to remember), one thing you can do is find people to blame for its loss.

Last edited by Goose (10/26/2017 3:01 pm)


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10/26/2017 9:43 pm  #6


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

Great point, Goose. The past that many Republicans want to return to is an idealized, glorified version of the past. If they had any idea what the past was *actually* like, what the people they revere were *actually* like, maybe they'd see things differently. But a lot of folks refuse to accept that because there are religious implications...when you're taught that the Founding Fathers were inspired by God to draft the Constitution, etc., then in your mind it's not possible that they could have been as flawed as the rest of us, potentially acting in their own best interests, and carrying their own racist/misogynistic/generally harmful ideas about government, society, etc.

And I agree, Rongone, with your thoughts about change. We're asking a lot of Republicans to consider the possibility that their version of the past, which contains or is connected to many of their foundational beliefs, is either wrong or outdated. I can understand why they would be defensive, frustrated, or angry. Not an excuse, but it helps when you can consider things from their point of view.

That said, we all struggle with that in one way or another, regardless of our political persuasions. Change sucks for everybody. So I don't have a good solution for changing hearts and minds.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

10/27/2017 7:04 am  #7


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Here's a relevant Weekly Standard editorial that came out today

Everyone’s talking about the civil war in the Republican party. It seems more like a surrender to us.

The great bulk of elected Republicans have surrendered to the forces of Donald J. Trump. And they didn’t even put up much of a fight. Has a hostile takeover of a historic institution ever been accomplished with less resistance?

The flag of surrender went up before many blows were even landed.

A reporter for Politico recently asked John Cornyn, the second-ranking Republican in the Senate, for his views on a potential bipartisan compromise extending cost-sharing payments under Obamacare. “I’m with the president,” Cornyn told Seung Min Kim. When she asked him where, exactly, Trump is on the plan, Cornyn threw his hands in the air. So Cornyn doesn’t know what Trump’s position is—but he knows that he shares it.

Perhaps such capitulation by the GOP establishment was to be expected. But movement conservatives who pride themselves on their obstinacy have also managed to go along in order to get along.

When Ted Cruz was asked the other day about the criticism of Trump by his Senate colleagues Bob Corker and Jeff Flake, the Texan unloaded. “It’s like you’re back in junior high. . . . We’ve got a job to do, dammit, and so all of this nonsense, I got nothing to say on it. Everyone shut up and do your job is my view.”

This is the same Ted Cruz who pointedly refused to shut up in 2016, declining to endorse Trump in his convention speech and making an impassioned plea for the defense of a party of principles, a party of conscience. “We deserve leaders who stand for principle, who unite us all behind shared values, who cast aside anger for love,” he said from the rostrum in Cleveland. “That is the standard we should expect from everybody. And to those listening, please don’t stay home in November. If you love our country and love our children as much as you do, stand and speak, and vote your conscience.”

But now it’s 2017. The base is said to be unhappy with dissent. Breitbart.com will criticize you. Steve Bannon may fund a primary challenger. Dissent is so 2016.

It is much the same outside of government. A day after Trump addressed the Heritage Foundation, the think tank’s president, Ed Feulner, waxed rhapsodic in a pitch to donors. “This morning I woke up still in awe of what I heard last night. As you know, President Trump addressed a group of Heritage members. He confirmed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is on our side.”

Takeovers of political parties have happened before. The New Left started as a fringe movement sniping at the well-fortified bastions of the establishment Democratic party in the late 1960s. A decade later, the party had been transformed, and it had happened more by osmosis than direct challenge, as old liberals adjusted to the new dispensation and, incrementally, became more left-wing in numerous ways.

Bannon’s threats of primary challenges to Republican senators are largely beside the point. The GOP is being transformed because incumbents are accommodating their new masters before serious challengers are even on the horizon. The New Left didn’t defeat many old-fashioned liberals at the polls. But, because of retirements and individuals accommodating themselves to the new political reality, there were soon no more than a handful of pro-life Democrats or strongly anti-Communist Democrats or color-blind-civil-rights Democrats. The Walter Mondale who ran for president in 1984 was very different from the Walter Mondale who entered the Senate as a disciple of Hubert Humphrey in 1964.

In the case of the Democrats, the transformation was a reasonably clear—if unfortunate—ideological turn. The current transformation of the Republican party is more confusing. At times, it seems the GOP might be becoming a Bannonite nationalist party. At others, it seems more simply a Trumpian cult-of-personality. The result, right now, is a party that is simultaneously corrupted by Trump and disfigured by Bannonism.

Readers of this magazine won’t be surprised to find that we think going along to get along is not in the interest of Republicans, conservatives, or the country. Corker and Flake spoke up, but they’re retiring from the Senate. What’s wanted is for those with something more at stake to step up. Robert Frost famously described a liberal as someone unwilling to take his own side in a fight. Will that be what is said of conservatives and Republicans? That they stood on the sidelines and watched as the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt and Reagan was destroyed?

 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

10/27/2017 7:42 am  #8


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

That’s a pretty good assessment from the Weekly Standard.

And the self centered high and mighty blind supporters of what’s going on in the Republican Party would be hard pressed to write off the article as some leftist, progressive, mainstream media hit job . . . It’s The Weekly Standard for crying out loud!

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10/27/2017 8:33 am  #9


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

The "looking backward to the good old days" is a losing strategy over time. The demographics of the US voting population is changing each year from what keeps the GOP as a viable party. I believe they will change but for now they have latched on to a sentiment that is real -- one where the vibrant middle class of the US has stalled. The 2008 recession and slow worldwide recovery has had a lot to do with it, but it is not just that. Things have change dramatically in the workplace as robotics and automation have replaced workers both here and abroad. We have been slow to embrace how to educate and train our workplace for this dynamic. The answer is actually looking forward rather than backward and embracing the changes and finding ways to gain because of them. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

10/28/2017 7:13 am  #10


Re: Is The Republican Party Dying?

tennyson wrote:

The "looking backward to the good old days" is a losing strategy over time. The demographics of the US voting population is changing each year from what keeps the GOP as a viable party. I believe they will change but for now they have latched on to a sentiment that is real -- one where the vibrant middle class of the US has stalled. The 2008 recession and slow worldwide recovery has had a lot to do with it, but it is not just that. Things have change dramatically in the workplace as robotics and automation have replaced workers both here and abroad. We have been slow to embrace how to educate and train our workplace for this dynamic. The answer is actually looking forward rather than backward and embracing the changes and finding ways to gain because of them. 

I completely agree. I think that all thinking people would agree. The problem is that the dominant force in today's republican party is not Thinking people.
All the thinking Republicans might have agreed with Jeff Flake, but that only serves to explain why he was forced to announce his retirement. There is a huge problem with the Base. A group of politically illiterate, angry, drunk on Fox people consumed with rage at a changing world have taken the party over. Republicans have given the car keys to drunken teenagers who want to go back to the future.

And so, the maxims about what works and what doesn’t are out the window.
Trump cannot bring back the past. But that doesn't seem to hurt him with the 35% that are his base. The script has been flipped on what constitutes success.  Those of us who assume that presidents have to better lives, and put legislative points on the board assume that failure to do so will depress the GOP base.

But Trump’s fans see victories everywhere. Coal mining isn't really gonna employ more people in 8 years than it does now. There isn't really going to be a revival of 1950s manufacturing. No matter. Picking a fight with the NFL is just as good as repealing Obamacare—maybe better in the pop-culture, reality TV world that consumes the 35%.
Heck, as we near the one year anniversary of the election, these poor folks are still posting articles and political cartoons about Hillary Clinton's emails,,,,,
The economic loss resulting from a changing world might be the cause of the Base's troubles. But, what animates them are culture war resentments, and The Spectacle.

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