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8/20/2017 11:43 am  #1

Marshawn Lynch sits once again during national anthem

Marshawn Lynch sits once again during national anthem

Oakland Raiders running back Marshawn Lynch once again sat during the national anthem.

Lynch sat on the bench Saturday night while the anthem was played before Oakland's game against the Los Angeles Rams. Lynch also sat last week and told coach Jack Del Rio he has done that throughout his career. Lynch has not publicly said why he is sitting for the anthem.

Raiders rookie safety Shalom Luani also kneeled during part of the anthem, while star quarterback Derek Carr stood with his arm around teammate Khalil Mack.

Rams linebacker Robert Quinn, who is not in uniform for the game, also stood with his fist raised.

We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 

8/20/2017 11:44 am  #2

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Todd Starnes and Fox are having quite a little hissy over this.

How can you criticize a football player for not standing for the anthem as being unpatriotic, when you embrace monuments to men who actually took up arms against the same country?

Last edited by Goose (8/20/2017 11:45 am)

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8/20/2017 12:01 pm  #3

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I am sure all of these players will take the heat for this as I would expect many see it as a sign of disrespect to our country. 

Thank heavens we live in a country where you are allowed to do this even if you suffer personally by doing it. 

The other side of this which the players have to know is that the management of the team has the right to terminate their services or trade them because of it. (It MAY NOT mean, however, that they can get out of paying them depending on how their contracts are written and in that regards I expect any new contracts might have wording in to exempt them from paying for certain displays). 

Bottom line is that these are just a couple of people doing a protest. What makes it such an issue is that it is being done on the National Stage (as in the case with many of the protests on both sides in this turbulent times). 


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8/20/2017 7:12 pm  #4

Re: Marshawn Lynch sits once again during national anthem

Quiz question:  What's the deal with playing a national anthem before a sporting event anyway?  Does that seem a bit odd to anyone else but me?  What's the purpose of it?


8/21/2017 6:56 am  #5

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As legend has it, singing the national anthem at sporting events began during the 1918 World Series, when the nation was at war. As recounted by the New York Times of Sept. 6, 1918, it was the seventh-inning stretch of the first game between the Chicago Cubs and the Boston Red Sox.

“As the crowd of 10,274 spectators — the smallest that has witnessed the diamond classic in many years — stood up to take their afternoon yawn, that has been the privilege and custom of baseball fans for many generations, the band broke forth to the strains of ‘The Star-Spangled Banner.’

“The yawn was checked and heads were bared as the ball players turned quickly about and faced the music. Jackie Fred Thomas of the U.S. Navy was at attention, as he stood erect, with his eyes set on the flag fluttering at the top of the lofty pole in right field. First the song was taken up by a few, then others joined, and when the final notes came, a great volume of melody rolled across the field. It was at the very end that the onlookers exploded into thunderous applause and rent the air with a cheer that marked the highest point of the day’s enthusiasm.”

The event had a public relations bonus for ballplayers in 1918, as there were people wondering why they were on the ballfield rather than the battlefield.

The idea caught on.

“Not to be outdone,” writes Marc Ferris in his cultural history of the anthem, “Red Sox owner Harry Frazee opened each game in Boston with it.”

Making this even more interesting is the fact that “The Star-Spangled Banner” — which borrowed its difficult melody from a “To Anacreon in Heaven,” a British song about boozing and womanizing — wasn’t adopted as the official national anthem of the U.S. until 1931.

As time passed, playing and singing “The Star-Spangled Banner” became as routine as cracker jacks at ballgames. And for many the patriotic awe faded.

By the mid-1950s, with the nation at peace and increasingly fat and happy, crowds were less erect, less attentive and less respectful as the anthem was played.

In 1954, Ferris reports, the general manager of the Baltimore Orioles, Arthur Ellers, a World War I veteran complained that about the fact that fans went on talking, laughing and moving around as the anthem was played.

“‘To me,'” Ellers said, “‘it’s very distasteful.”

So disrespectful did he find it that he decided it wouldn’t be played anymore, relenting about a month later under pressure from the Baltimore City Council, which counts among the city’s main tourist attractions Fort McHenry, the actual broad stripes, bright stars and rockets red glare had inspired Francis Scott Key to write the words in 1814.

Of course, while many fans do stop what they’re doing when the anthem is played, remove their hats and shush their children, others still laugh and talk and move about while the anthem is being played.

“The next time you’re at sporting event,” Kyle Koster, wrote in the The Big Lead in May, “take a look around notice how many people are locked into their phones, sipping their beer or worse during the playing of the anthem. It’s impossible to know someone’s inner thoughts, but the outward actions suggest someone counting the seconds until they can yell, ‘play ball’ instead of basking in freedoms of the First Amendment.”

And up in Baltimore they can’t wait to yell “Oh” when they reach the verse, “O say does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave.”

“Orioles fans are not alone in their desecration of ‘The Star-Spangled Banner,’ of course,” wrote The Washington Post’s Mike Wise in a moment of disgust in 2012. “Many of their tainted gene pool have migrated to Verizon Center for Capitals games. Some of these louts actually yell “OH!” and “RED!” at different intervals — twice ruining the anthem. Their spawn can be found in Houston, too, where a small group called “The Red Rowdies” holler “ROCK-ETS RED GLARE!” during Rockets NBA games.”

Let’s face it. Playing the national anthem before a sports event is a grand old tradition. But for many fans, so is dissing the song.

And most people — at least those who don’t write sports columns for a living — don’t seem to care how other fans react to the tune.

Until, that is, someone famous is perceived to denigrate it. Then, to some, not honoring the song becomes an affront.

That can be seen in the latest controversy over Colin Kaepernick, the San Francisco 49ers quarterback, who refuses to stand for the song in protest.

As The Post’s Cindy Boren reported, he has his reasons. “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Media’s Steve Wyche. “To me, this is bigger than football, and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

And he is still being taken to task for doing it, primarily from the right.

“He can speak out about a very important issue. But there’s plenty of other ways that you can do that in a peaceful manner that doesn’t involve being disrespectful to the American flag, said New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees.

“I think it’s a terrible thing,” said Donald Trump. “And maybe he should find a country that works better for him, let him try. It won’t happen.”

“Why the hell do people come here in from anywhere? Even more, why do people stay here with all this oppression that’s taking place?” said conservative talk show host Mark Levin. 

“Because a dimwit with a 12 IQ, like this guy, can make $126 million in six years, based on one or two seasons, and he still sucks!

“When he doesn’t stand during the national anthem, it’s not because of social injustice or anything else. He’s spitting on the men and women who are in one hell hole or another all over this country, fighting for that flag and fighting for this nation — and every one of them that came before them! Every one of them!”

But see also what Kareem Abdul-Jabbar says in Kaepernick’s defense in The Post: “What should horrify Americans is not Kaepernick’s choice to remain seated during the national anthem, but that nearly 50 years after [Muhammad] Ali was banned from boxing for his stance and Tommie Smith and John Carlos’ raised fists caused public ostracization and numerous death threats, we still need to call attention to the same racial inequities. Failure to fix this problem is what’s really un-American here.”

Kaepernick is far from the only public figure to be attacked for being perceived as disrespecting “The Star-Spangled Banner.”

At the recent Rio Olympics, American gymnast Gabby Douglas was forced by the court of public opinion to apologize for not placing her hand over her heart for the song. “There is NO excuse as to why you could not salute the flag of the country that gave you the opportunity to complete,” one user tweeted at her. Another called her “UN-olympic” [sic].

Twenty years before either Douglas or Kaepernick were attacked on social media, there was Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. Before converting to Islam, while still playing for LSU, he was known as Chris Jackson.

His name might not ring a bell, because he’s all but disappeared from any conversation about the NBA (even though he shot free throws with a 90.5 percent accuracy, making him one of, if not the, most statistically skilled free throw shooter of all time). The reason might be the national anthem.

At the outset of the 1995-96 season, while playing for the Denver Nuggets, he decided that he wouldn’t salute the flag during the national anthem that year. Instead, he’d generally sit down while the song was sung. Sound familiar?

He said the flag was a “symbol of oppression, of tyranny,” the New York Times reported.

No one noticed until March of that year, when the a local reporter published a small blurb about it. Media requests to visit practice the next day doubled.

Commissioner David Stern suspended Abdul-Rauf for one game, but two days later, the NBA decided to allow him to simply force him to stand during the song while allowing him to close his eyes and look away from the flag, SBNation reported.

Many outlets, such as SBNation and Yardbarker, claim this controversy ended up costing Abdul-Rauf his career.

So does he.

“After the national anthem fiasco, nobody really wanted to touch me,” he told HoopsHype, a basketball blog, in 2010.

Finally, it’s difficult to forget the reaction to the revelation that Beyoncé lip-synced the “Star-Spangled Banner” at President Obama’s 2013 inauguration. Twitter was afire with outrage. “How can you do this humanity?” asked one user, while another said, “Apparently Beyoncé’s inauguration performance was as dope as Lance Armstrong biking through the French Alps,” according to the New York Daily News.

While many more people of color seem to be attacked when perceived to be insulting the national anthem, the ire and score sees no color lines.

In 1990, Rosanne Barr proved that at a San Diego Padres game in which she infamously wore a untucked, baggy white shirt and shrieked her way through the song, at one point grabbing her crotch and spitting on the pitcher’s mound.

The outrage was so palpable and widespread that President George H.W. Bush, from Air Force One, called the performance “disgraceful.” George Will called her a “Slob.”

Her son, Jake Pentland, told The Post, “I went to school the next day. I got to hear that my mother hates America and ‘I hope she dies.’ She was really distraught. She wouldn’t leave the house.”

Let’s face another fact: Ordinary people really can’t sing “The Star-Spangled Banner,” at least not well. And professionals struggle with it.

Asked once for advice on singing the anthem by the Indianapolis Monthly, singer Sandi Patty, said, among other things: “Try to push out of your mind the wish that you were singing God Bless America.”

Last edited by Goose (8/21/2017 6:58 am)

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8/21/2017 9:03 am  #6

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Thanks for the history;  confirms my hunch that playing the national anthem at sporting events began during the Cold War or during an earlier wartime era.

It may have been considered a way of uniting the fans, who otherwise might have deep passions and even animosity toward each other.

Sad that a means of uniting has now become a cause of division.

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8/21/2017 10:19 am  #7

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Good history lesson there, Goose.  Educational and informative.  Personally, I'm not judging anyone here.  While someone is kneeling or sitting during the national anthem, somebody else is texting a friend or buying a beer or going to the bathroom.  I refuse to get my knickers knotted over it.


3/11/2018 9:24 am  #8

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Kinda sums up America today.

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