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6/02/2017 11:41 am  #1


Mike Can't See a Reason

“For some reason or another, this issue of climate change has emerged as a paramount issue for the left – in this country and around the world,”
Mike Pence

It's difficult not to hear it in your head in the voice of Forrest Gump when you read that,,,,


Pence: Why Everyone’s So Worked Up Over Climate Change?

A day following President Donald Trump’s announcement that the United States will pull its support of the Paris climate agreement, Vice President Mike Pence lauded his boss’s decision as “refreshing.”

Speaking with Fox News on Friday, Pence echoed his sentiments at the White House Rose Garden from Thursday, saying that the president’s choice, one that has the U.S. joining Syria and Nicaragua as the only United Nations members to not support the 195-nation climate agreement, puts America first.

“It is so refreshing to have a president who just stands without apology for the American people, the American economy and for America’s interest in the world first,” Pence told Fox News.

Pence said that the administration has demonstrated “real leadership” and “real progress,” but that he remained puzzled as to why climate change continued to be a significant issues for so many worldwide.

“For some reason or another, this issue of climate change has emerged as a paramount issue for the left – in this country and around the world,” Pence said.


 

Last edited by Goose (6/02/2017 11:59 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

6/02/2017 11:50 am  #2


Re: Mike Can't See a Reason

Yikes, well it reminds me of "Nero fiddled while Rome burned" ! 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/02/2017 12:40 pm  #3


Re: Mike Can't See a Reason

“For some reason or another, this issue of climate change has emerged as a paramount issue for the left – in this country and around the world,” Pence said.

It's not a left or right issue, you freakin' moron.  Where do we find these guys?


 

 

6/02/2017 1:26 pm  #4


Re: Mike Can't See a Reason

Hey, if Trump is getting input from 'experts' on climate change like Kimberly Guilfoyle, it's no wonder he reaches the conclusions he does.


Fox News Host Says Trump Called Her Before Climate Accord Withdrawal

President Donald Trump reached out to Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle before announcing his decision to back out of the Paris climate accord, Guilfoyle claimed on Thursday.

The co-host of Fox’s nightly program “The Five,” was talking about Trump’s divisive decision when she slipped in that tidbit, much to the surprise of her colleagues.

“I think he did the brave and courageous thing, and in fact I told him that this morning at 8 a.m. when he called,” she said.

Her co-hosts were flabbergasted at the revelation. Guilfoyle explained that he called to discuss “climate change” and “taxes.”

“He was excited about this today; it was going to be a big speech and a lot of people would be excited about it. However, there would be people that would be upset and disappointed. He would do his best to explain,” she continued.

Guilfoyle said back in May that she is in conversations with the Trump administration about potentially joining the communications team. Fox News responded by saying that she was under a “long-term contract with the network.”

The host didn’t expand on her conversation with Trump, but she did offer her opinion on the decision to leave the Paris climate accord. Trump’s decision is based on the possibility that a better deal could be reached that would benefit Americans. He said the deal creates “lost jobs” and “shuttered factories” while “vastly diminishing” economic production.

“I don’t think this is a deal that anybody should be crying about. Like we said, it’s nonbinding, and the United States is already a clean energy, oil and gas leader. So we can keep doing what we’re doing,” Guilfoyle said.



I'm just flabbergasted that his decision on the Paris Accord on climate change puts us in a very small minority of nations, and that one of those nations is Syria.

Seriously . . . Syria ! ! !

So it's Trump aligned with Bashar Al Assad. Non believers in scientific fact, deniers of climate change, and working in the 'best interests of the citizens of the country'. Does Trump understand that Al Assad bombed and gassed his own countrymen?  If so, what does Donald have in store for us? Maybe poisoning the air with CO2 pollution so we can't breathe? If we all end up with lung disease, will we have a healthcare program that will help us all heal?

The more I witness about what Trump is doing, saying, and his proposed actions, the more I fear for America's place in the world, and the peaceful perpetuation of our representative republic.

The guy is a real danger.

 

6/02/2017 1:38 pm  #5


Re: Mike Can't See a Reason

Oooops . . . It sure is annoying when things like verifiable facts get in the way of the BS the Trump administration puts out about his decision on the Paris Accord. Even today his EPA administrator Scott Pruitt (who has a documented history of denying scientific studies that verify climate change is real) refused to answer questions at the daily press briefing, but, instead, just kept repeating the party line, deflecting and scoffing at reporters who dared ask simple yes or no questions. He then quickly exited the briefing room claiming he had to catch a plane.


AP FACT CHECK: Holes in Trump's reasoning on climate pullout


WASHINGTON (AP) — Announcing that the U.S. will withdraw from the Paris climate accord, President Donald Trump misplaced the blame for what ails the coal industry and laid a shaky factual foundation for his decision. A look at some of the claims in a Rose Garden speech and an accompanying fact sheet about the deal to curtail emissions responsible for global warming:

WHITE HOUSE: The Paris climate accord "would effectively decapitate our coal industry, which now supplies about one-third of our electric power."

THE FACTS: The U.S. coal industry was in decline long before the Paris accord was signed in 2015. The primary cause has been competition from cleaner-burning natural gas, which has been made cheaper and more abundant by hydraulic fracturing. Electric utilities have been replacing coal plants with gas-fired facilities because they are more efficient and less expensive to operate.

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TRUMP: Claims "absolutely tremendous economic progress since Election Day," adding "more than a million private-sector jobs."

THE FACTS: That's basically right, but he earns no credit for jobs created in the months before he became president. To rack up that number, the president had to reach back to October. Even then, private-sector job creation from October through April (171,000 private-sector jobs a month) lags just slightly behind the pace of job creation for the previous six months (172,000), entirely under President Barack Obama.

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TRUMP: "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."

THE FACTS: That may be so, but Allegheny County, which includes Pittsburgh, is not Trump country. It voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton in November, favoring her by a margin of 56 percent to Trump's 40 percent. The city has a climate action plan committing to boost the use of renewable energy. Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto, a Democrat, has been an outspoken supporter of the Paris accord, and tweeted after Trump's announcement that "as the Mayor of Pittsburgh, I can assure you that we will follow the guidelines of the Paris Agreement for our people, our economy & future."

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WHITE HOUSE: "According to a study by NERA Consulting, meeting the Obama administration's requirements in the Paris Accord would cost the U.S. economy nearly $3 trillion over the next several decades. By 2040, our economy would lose 6.5 million industrial sector jobs — including 3.1 million manufacturing sector jobs."

THE FACTS: This study was paid for by two groups that have long opposed environmental regulation, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the American Council for Capital Formation. Both get financial backing from those who profit from the continued burning of fossil fuels. The latter group has received money from foundations controlled by the Koch brothers, whose company owns refineries and more than 4,000 miles of oil and gas pipelines.

The study makes worst-case assumptions that may inflate the cost of meeting U.S. targets under the Paris accord while largely ignoring the economic benefits to U.S. businesses from building and operating renewable energy projects.

Academic studies have found that increased environmental regulation doesn't actually have much impact on employment. Jobs lost at polluting companies tend to be offset by new jobs in green technology.

___

WHITE HOUSE, citing a study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology: "If all member nations met their obligations, the impact on the climate would be negligible," curbing temperature rise by "less than .2 degrees Celsius in 2100."

THE FACTS: The co-founder of the MIT program on climate change says the administration is citing an outdated report, taken out of context. Jake Jacoby said the actual global impact of meeting targets under the Paris accord would be to curb rising temperatures by 1 degree Celsius, or 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit.

"They found a number that made the point they want to make," Jacoby said. "It's kind of a debate trick."

One degree may not sound like much, but Stefan Rahmstorf, a climate scientist at the Potsdam Institute in Germany, says, "Every tenth of a degree increases the number of unprecedented extreme weather events considerably."

Last edited by Rongone (6/02/2017 1:41 pm)

 

6/02/2017 5:43 pm  #6


Re: Mike Can't See a Reason

Rongone wrote:

Oooops . . . It sure is annoying when things like verifiable facts get in the way of the BS the Trump administration puts out about his decision on the Paris Accord. Even today his EPA administrator Scott Pruitt (who has a documented history of denying scientific studies that verify climate change is real) refused to answer questions at the daily press briefing, but, instead, just kept repeating the party line, deflecting and scoffing at reporters who dared ask simple yes or no questions. He then quickly exited the briefing room claiming he had to catch a plane.


AP FACT CHECK: Holes in Trump's reasoning on climate pullout


WASHINGTON (AP) — Announcing that the U.S. will withdraw from the Paris climate accord, President Donald Trump misplaced the blame for what ails the coal industry and laid a shaky factual foundation for his decision. A look at some of the claims in a Rose Garden speech and an accompanying fact sheet about the deal to curtail emissions responsible for global warming:

WHITE HOUSE: The Paris climate accord "would effectively decapitate our coal industry, which now supplies about one-third of our electric power."

THE FACTS: The U.S. coal industry was in decline long before the Paris accord was signed in 2015. The primary cause has been competition from cleaner-burning natural gas, which has been made cheaper and more abundant by hydraulic fracturing. Electric utilities have been replacing coal plants with gas-fired facilities because they are more efficient and less expensive to operate.

___

TRUMP: Claims "absolutely tremendous economic progress since Election Day," adding "more than a million private-sector jobs."

THE FACTS: That's basically right, but he earns no credit for jobs created in the months before he became president. To rack up that number, the president had to reach back to October. Even then, private-sector job creation from October through April (171,000 private-sector jobs a month) lags just slightly behind the pace of job creation for the previous six months (172,000), entirely under President Barack Obama.

___

TRUMP: "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."

THE FACTS: That may be so, but Allegheny County, which includes Pittsburgh, is not Trump country. It voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton in November, favoring her by a margin of 56 percent to Trump's 40 percent. The city has a climate action plan committing to boost the use of renewable energy. Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto, a Democrat, has been an outspoken supporter of the Paris accord, and tweeted after Trump's announcement that "as the Mayor of Pittsburgh, I can assure you that we will follow the guidelines of the Paris Agreement for our people, our economy & future."

___

WHITE HOUSE: "According to a study by NERA Consulting, meeting the Obama administration's requirements in the Paris Accord would cost the U.S. economy nearly $3 trillion over the next several decades. By 2040, our economy would lose 6.5 million industrial sector jobs — including 3.1 million manufacturing sector jobs."

THE FACTS: This study was paid for by two groups that have long opposed environmental regulation, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the American Council for Capital Formation. Both get financial backing from those who profit from the continued burning of fossil fuels. The latter group has received money from foundations controlled by the Koch brothers, whose company owns refineries and more than 4,000 miles of oil and gas pipelines.

The study makes worst-case assumptions that may inflate the cost of meeting U.S. targets under the Paris accord while largely ignoring the economic benefits to U.S. businesses from building and operating renewable energy projects.

Academic studies have found that increased environmental regulation doesn't actually have much impact on employment. Jobs lost at polluting companies tend to be offset by new jobs in green technology.

___

WHITE HOUSE, citing a study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology: "If all member nations met their obligations, the impact on the climate would be negligible," curbing temperature rise by "less than .2 degrees Celsius in 2100."

THE FACTS: The co-founder of the MIT program on climate change says the administration is citing an outdated report, taken out of context. Jake Jacoby said the actual global impact of meeting targets under the Paris accord would be to curb rising temperatures by 1 degree Celsius, or 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit.

"They found a number that made the point they want to make," Jacoby said. "It's kind of a debate trick."

One degree may not sound like much, but Stefan Rahmstorf, a climate scientist at the Potsdam Institute in Germany, says, "Every tenth of a degree increases the number of unprecedented extreme weather events considerably."

Must be "Fake News" !  (at least that is what the Trump Sheeple will say) 


 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

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