Now Trump wants to suck Congress into investigating his baseless claim.
Another deflection, and diversion.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39172719?ocid=socialflow_twitter

Yea, he's gonna make America Great Again.
Not even his focus.

What a sad situation we Americans find ourselves in.
Now, the White House has been forced to call for a Congressional investigation.
After Trump's extraordinary claim, it was either that, or back down, admit to the world that the President got frustrated with his perdicament this weekend, and let loose a whopper.

The Republican Congress will feel compelled to protect their president, and go along with it.
How many dollars, and how many man-hours, will ultimately be wasted in covering for the madness of King Donald?

Last edited by Goose (3/05/2017 10:09 am)

First things first, I'd be really careful about assuming Trump is lying about Obama potentially ordering surveillance against Donald Trump of members of his campaign. 

I think there are three ways this could go, and none of them are good.

1 - Trump is making up a story to distract from a more serious issue around collaborating with Russian operatives during the campaign.

2 - Obama did order surveillance of Trump for the sole purpose of trying to gain information to help Hillary Clinton. I've been listening to a couple of the Sunday shows and several people have said the president "can't order FBI surveillance. A president must go through the FISA courts (and in reality the Dept. of Justice would go to the FISA courts and not the White House) an obtain a warrant for surveillance activities." This is not true and you only need to go back to the George W. Bush era and the "Warrantless Wiretaps" that were considered constitutional because the president has the ability to look into concerns around foreign nations and national security concerns. 

So in theory, Obama could have ordered a wire tap on Trump under the guise of national security. This is, in my opinion, a little conspiratorial, but not outside of the realm of possibility.

3 - The intelligence community and law enforcement had a reasonable suspicion that the Trump campaign and possibly Trump was doing something illegal with the Russian government and was able to obtain a warrant.

As President, it's my understanding that Trump would be able to get information from the FBI on investigations concerning him. So it's very possible that he did learn that there was surveillance being done on him.

But other than that, nobody really knows anything definitive. 

However, throwing wild unproven allegations at Barack Obama to build or retain political capital is a tactic Trump has used in the past. 

Also, the Trump era is exhausting. 

TheLagerLad wrote:

First things first, I'd be really careful about assuming Trump is lying about Obama potentially ordering surveillance against Donald Trump of members of his campaign. 

I think there are three ways this could go, and none of them are good.

1 - Trump is making up a story to distract from a more serious issue around collaborating with Russian operatives during the campaign.

2 - Obama did order surveillance of Trump for the sole purpose of trying to gain information to help Hillary Clinton. I've been listening to a couple of the Sunday shows and several people have said the president "can't order FBI surveillance. A president must go through the FISA courts (and in reality the Dept. of Justice would go to the FISA courts and not the White House) an obtain a warrant for surveillance activities." This is not true and you only need to go back to the George W. Bush era and the "Warrantless Wiretaps" that were considered constitutional because the president has the ability to look into concerns around foreign nations and national security concerns. 

So in theory, Obama could have ordered a wire tap on Trump under the guise of national security. This is, in my opinion, a little conspiratorial, but not outside of the realm of possibility.

3 - The intelligence community and law enforcement had a reasonable suspicion that the Trump campaign and possibly Trump was doing something illegal with the Russian government and was able to obtain a warrant.

As President, it's my understanding that Trump would be able to get information from the FBI on investigations concerning him. So it's very possible that he did learn that there was surveillance being done on him.

But other than that, nobody really knows anything definitive. 

However, throwing wild unproven allegations at Barack Obama to build or retain political capital is a tactic Trump has used in the past. 

Also, the Trump era is exhausting. 

I would believe we WILL find out that people associated with Trump and possible even Trump himself were being investigated especially given what already has come out. For sure, the FBI has been conducting an ongoing investigation into the Russian influence and they themselves or other agencies likely included wiretaps. To be clear, the President himself unilaterally CANNOT order wiretaps without it going through processes to ensure that it is only done under certain circumstances. The investigation into this whole mess needs to be complete and thorough and not aimed at one conclusion.