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3/02/2017 11:28 am  #1


Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

So his promise to keep Harley from paying the tax is already kept ! 

In his speech and promise to repeal the tax Trump said "They weren't even asking for a change" 

NOW we know WHY !  (or as Paul Harvey used to say "Here is the REST OF THE STORY") 



http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/news/india/trump-harley-davidson-tariff/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom
 


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3/02/2017 11:46 am  #2


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

Has there ever been a guy more full of it


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/02/2017 11:48 am  #3


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

He either has the crappiest research staff or he just doesn't care ! 


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3/02/2017 11:55 am  #4


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

Hey, not knowing what he is talking about has served him well.
Trump knows that his base is ignorant of the facts, and easily fooled by someone spouting BS with confidence.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

3/02/2017 12:50 pm  #5


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

tennyson wrote:

So his promise to keep Harley from paying the tax is already kept ! 

In his speech and promise to repeal the tax Trump said "They weren't even asking for a change" 

NOW we know WHY !  (or as Paul Harvey used to say "Here is the REST OF THE STORY") 



http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/news/india/trump-harley-davidson-tariff/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom
 

So let me tell you the Rest of the Rest of the story and explain why in this case, I side with Trump here....

I worked for Harley at the York plant from 2002-2009. The early years in my time there were extremely good times for the company and they really wanted to expand their international presence. But in trying to sell motorcycles in certain markets, they were hampered by unreasonable tariffs and regulations.

In India there was absolutely a 100% tariff on imported bikes.

In Brazil, there was a 35% tariff. You know what we used to do with bikes heading to Brazil? We'd build them in York or Kansas City. We'd roll test them to make sure everything worked, and then we'd take the bike apart, ship it to Brazil, and then put it back together. Because if you did that, the tariff didn't apply. 

In China, there were regulations that didn't allow most people to buy a "heavyweight motorcycle" (too many vehicles already on Chinese city streets and they didn't want to increase noise pollution beyond what it already was.) In that case, Harley did something interesting. They provided a Chinese motorcycle maker some training on manufacturing efficiency and perhaps some bits of H-D intellectual property to help get them off the ground in exchange for some relief on tariffs.

All that said, the bottom line is that Harley never wanted to open an Indian manufacturing facility. They much rather would have had all of their motorcycles made in the U.S. with an American workforce. But unfair trade laws on the Indian side made it impossible to competitive in the Indian marketplace.

So in this case, I agree with Trump when he says we need to push for fairer trade laws. I'll caveat this by saying that I'm talking about the heavyweight motorcycle industry and I don't want to paint a broad stroke that lumps that industry in with every other industry. 

In some cases, companies go off-shore because it just makes sense. In others, they are forced to. I'm for evening things up so if you want to stay in America, you can without onerous trade laws from getting in the way.
 


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3/02/2017 1:07 pm  #6


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

"All that said, the bottom line is that Harley never wanted to open an Indian manufacturing facility. They much rather would have had all of their motorcycles made in the U.S. with an American workforce. But unfair trade laws on the Indian side made it impossible to competitive in the Indian marketplace."--Lager

Honestly Lager, if someone hit on the idea of shipping a disassembled bike to Brazil to avoid the tariff then they likely could have found some way to compete in India.

IMO "we had no choice" is what people who make the wrong choice say.

They would prefer all of their bikes be made in the USA? 

Great, they can do that.  All they have to do is do it.

 Unless they choose not to.

 


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3/02/2017 2:45 pm  #7


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

All that said, the bottom line is that Harley never wanted to open an Indian manufacturing facility. They much rather would have had all of their motorcycles made in the U.S. with an American workforce. But unfair trade laws on the Indian side made it impossible to competitive in the Indian marketplace.  -  Lager Lad

Thanks for haring that information Lager.  When I initially read the story, my first inclination was that they probably built the plant in India in order to avoid the 100% tariff, and that is correct.

CT, of course Harley had a choice on whether or not to build in India or the USA, but if they built them in the USA they would be at a significant disadvantage to any other company who built in India and would do little to no business.  If their competitors are building in India and can sell their bikes for half of what Harley would have to charge if they built in the USA, they wouldn't do much, if any business in India.  So if they wanted to sell bikes in India, they needed to build the plant in India

 

3/02/2017 4:09 pm  #8


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

Mangos for Harleys deal came about in 2007 time frame by the Bush Administration. 

In India I believe it was nicknamed "mango diplomacy"

http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/2785.cfm


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3/02/2017 4:22 pm  #9


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

So, it appears that the tariff was already history?


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3/02/2017 4:59 pm  #10


Re: Actually, Harley-Davidson doesn't pay India's 100% motorcycle tariff

Couple of things that are Harley related

In 1952 Harley was charged with restrictive practices by the US Tarriff Commission for a 40% import tax on foreign made motorcycles 

 In 1983 President Reagan imposed a 45 percent tariff on imported bikes with engine capacities greater than 700 cc to help Harley. Many of us older codgers probably remember visits to York by Reagan. Harley ultimately rejected the tariff in consderation for loans from Japan. 

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/07/business/at-harley-plant-reagan-defends-trade-policy.html

In just Jan 30 of this year Harley asked that tariffs NOT to be imposed on imported cycles as they felt the offsetting loss of business would be harmful. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/singled-trump-harley-davidson-opposed-tariffs-article-1.2986384

Lastly and just from a historical perspective, our beloved "Hogs" were NOT ALWAYS the bikes of choice as the name initially in the late 60s and earley 70s was a slam on the overall quality of the bikes themselves about the time AMF acquired the brand. Fortunately at this juncture the bikes are very well made and the name is now a positive. 



 


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