The New Exchange » So what is Extreme Vetting anyway

Rongone · 2/20/2017 6:14 pm

Tim15856 wrote:
Rongone wrote:
Tim15856 wrote:

OK, you said something about a school test grade. When using precise numbers, no that would not be an exaggeration. So?

I'll try again. Read these, comprehend the questions, and then do your best to provide a reasonable answer to the questions without obsfucation, deflection, or attacking the questioner.

1) So, enlighten me Tim as to exactly what 'extreme vetting' entails. What questions, sources, interview methods, U.S. Embassy/consulate procedures should be changed to ensure 100% compliance with 'I love America' will be the only foreigners that will be granted visas?

2) So, your 13 year old comes home from school and you ask how they did on that big ethics test they took the other day. "I aced it dad. Yep I got 100% on it." The kid responds.

"Good job", you reply.

Then, a couple of days later, you get notified by the kid's teacher that the kid flunked . . . got only a 40% on the test.

Now, did your 13 year old lie to you . . . Or did he just exaggerate his test score?

I'll be happy to try to clarify any part of the questions that confuse you.
I answered your 2nd question, no it's not an exaggeration, so what? As for your first question, do you think I work for Trump? How the hell do I know what he plans to do? What I do know is terrorists are trying to infiltrate the refugees and the Syrian rebels may have passport machines so if you care for your fellow Americans at all, you should not have a problem with any attempt to make sure terrorists don't get in.

OK, so you admit Trump is a liar when he spouts numbers that he has enhanced merely to make himself look bigger, better, more popular, or whatever. I guess we can consider that progress.

As for your other 'response' (I consider that a total deflection), how do you 'know' about all those plans the terrorists have for refugees . . . Unless, of course you are a member of some terrorist network. "If I care for your fellow Americans at all" . . . Where did that come from? I guess I could say I spent 6 years in uniform, two deployments, in uniform service to my country . . . How about you?

Goose · 2/20/2017 7:03 pm

Tim15856 wrote:
tennyson wrote:
Just Fred wrote:
Tim, if you haven't already, read through the 14 characteristics of fascism. If you already did, read through it again. Be honest, do you see any parallels with what's been happening here with this administration?
It is impossible to reason with someone that looks at lies and calls it something else. My suggestion is stop trying. The people who like Trump are looking for a saviour, but it is interesting that on one hand they disregard his lying yet think that all his promises to help them will magically come true. I wonder when they don't happen if they will say it was just an "exaggeration" ?
When are you going to have something worthwhile to add to the conversation?

That was pretty nasty, Tim considering how meager your own contribution to the conversations here are.
I'd love to see the day when you contribute 1/100 to this site that Tennyson has.

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Goose · 2/20/2017 7:53 pm

Rongone wrote:
"If I care for your fellow Americans at all" . . . Where did that come from? I guess I could say I spent 6 years in uniform, two deployments, in uniform service to my country . . . How about you?

Tim likes to suggest that anyone he disagrees with doesn't care about american lives.
If you review his posts you will see that he does it all the time, in fact. Kind of a one trick pony.
He likes to pretend that he is morally superior to others.
Timmy, where did you serve?

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Tim15856 · 2/21/2017 8:30 am

Goose wrote:
Tim15856 wrote:
tennyson wrote:

It is impossible to reason with someone that looks at lies and calls it something else. My suggestion is stop trying. The people who like Trump are looking for a saviour, but it is interesting that on one hand they disregard his lying yet think that all his promises to help them will magically come true. I wonder when they don't happen if they will say it was just an "exaggeration" ?
When are you going to have something worthwhile to add to the conversation?

That was pretty nasty, Tim considering how meager your own contribution to the conversations here are.
I'd love to see the day when you contribute 1/100 to this site that Tennyson has.

If I didn't contribute to the conversations here, it would be all one sided, what fun is that? And this is coming from someone who has yet to answer any of my questions, so don't talk.

Goose · 2/21/2017 8:33 am

Tim15856 wrote:
Goose wrote:
Tim15856 wrote:
When are you going to have something worthwhile to add to the conversation?

That was pretty nasty, Tim considering how meager your own contribution to the conversations here are.
I'd love to see the day when you contribute 1/100 to this site that Tennyson has.
If I didn't contribute to the conversations here, it would be all one sided, what fun is that? And this is coming from someone who has yet to answer any of my questions, so don't talk.

What questions have I failed to answer?
I explained my thoughts about Trump's budding fascism in detail.

BTW, I would love to see some smart conversation from intelligent, well-read Trumpers here.
Now That would be fun, and interesting.
But, alas, we have what we have.

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Tim15856 · 2/21/2017 8:42 am

Rongone wrote:
OK, so you admit Trump is a liar when he spouts numbers that he has enhanced merely to make himself look bigger, better, more popular, or whatever. I guess we can consider that progress.

As for your other 'response' (I consider that a total deflection), how do you 'know' about all those plans the terrorists have for refugees . . . Unless, of course you are a member of some terrorist network. "If I care for your fellow Americans at all" . . . Where did that come from? I guess I could say I spent 6 years in uniform, two deployments, in uniform service to my country . . . How about you?

First off, I'm not here to justify every single thing Trump may blurt out. Otherwise, whether Trump is lying or not depends if he knows the figures he is talking about are wrong. Get back to me when he lies about something that ends up screwing the American people or lies about the cause of American deaths.

how do you 'know' about all those plans the terrorists have for refugees

Deflection indeed, because I read, simple as that.Syria's Assad: Some refugees are terroristshttp://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/bashar-assad-syria-refugees-terrorists-yahoo-interview-234890

I guess he of all people should know.Islamic State finds success infiltrating its terrorists into refugee flows to Westhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/isis-finds-success-infiltrating-terrorists-into-re/

I've posted links about this before, if you choose to ignore facts that don't align with your preconceived notions, that's on you. Also, if you can't understand how the right would think you care more for refugees instead of your fellow Americans since you oppose any temporary halting of refugees from dangerous countries, nothing I say will change that. BTW, USAF 1975-1979

Tim15856 · 2/21/2017 8:44 am

Goose wrote:
What questions have I failed to answer?
I explained my thoughts about Trump's budding fascism in detail.

BTW, I would love to see some smart conversation from intelligent, well-read Trumpers here.
Now That would be fun, and interesting.
But, alas, we have what we have.

I see this thread has devolved into nonsensical posts, time to move on.

Goose · 2/21/2017 8:48 am

Tim15856 wrote:
Rongone wrote:
OK, so you admit Trump is a liar when he spouts numbers that he has enhanced merely to make himself look bigger, better, more popular, or whatever. I guess we can consider that progress.

As for your other 'response' (I consider that a total deflection), how do you 'know' about all those plans the terrorists have for refugees . . . Unless, of course you are a member of some terrorist network. "If I care for your fellow Americans at all" . . . Where did that come from? I guess I could say I spent 6 years in uniform, two deployments, in uniform service to my country . . . How about you?
First off, I'm not here to justify every single thing Trump may blurt out. Otherwise, whether Trump is lying or not depends if he knows the figures he is talking about are wrong. Get back to me when he lies about something that ends up screwing the American people or lies about the cause of American deaths.

how do you 'know' about all those plans the terrorists have for refugees
Deflection indeed, because I read, simple as that.Syria's Assad: Some refugees are terroristshttp://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/bashar-assad-syria-refugees-terrorists-yahoo-interview-234890

I guess he of all people should know.Islamic State finds success infiltrating its terrorists into refugee flows to Westhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/isis-finds-success-infiltrating-terrorists-into-re/

I've posted links about this before, if you choose to ignore facts that don't align with your preconceived notions, that's on you. Also, if you can't understand how the right would think you care more for refugees instead of your fellow Americans since you oppose any temporary halting of refugees from dangerous countries, nothing I say will change that. BTW, USAF 1975-1979

So, when Trump "only" lies to cement power, to motivate The People to support useless, even counter-productive polices, you are OK with that?
Also, If you can't understand why the left would find you betraying American values, nothing I can say will change that.

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Goose · 2/21/2017 8:49 am

Tim15856 wrote:
Goose wrote:
What questions have I failed to answer?
I explained my thoughts about Trump's budding fascism in detail.

BTW, I would love to see some smart conversation from intelligent, well-read Trumpers here.
Now That would be fun, and interesting.
But, alas, we have what we have.

I see this thread has devolved into nonsensical posts, time to move on.

Run Forrest, run!

Rongone · 2/21/2017 9:18 am

Tim15856 wrote:
Rongone wrote:
OK, so you admit Trump is a liar when he spouts numbers that he has enhanced merely to make himself look bigger, better, more popular, or whatever. I guess we can consider that progress.

As for your other 'response' (I consider that a total deflection), how do you 'know' about all those plans the terrorists have for refugees . . . Unless, of course you are a member of some terrorist network. "If I care for your fellow Americans at all" . . . Where did that come from? I guess I could say I spent 6 years in uniform, two deployments, in uniform service to my country . . . How about you?
First off, I'm not here to justify every single thing Trump may blurt out. Otherwise, whether Trump is lying or not depends if he knows the figures he is talking about are wrong. Get back to me when he lies about something that ends up screwing the American people or lies about the cause of American deaths.

how do you 'know' about all those plans the terrorists have for refugees
Deflection indeed, because I read, simple as that.Syria's Assad: Some refugees are terroristshttp://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/bashar-assad-syria-refugees-terrorists-yahoo-interview-234890

I guess he of all people should know.Islamic State finds success infiltrating its terrorists into refugee flows to Westhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/isis-finds-success-infiltrating-terrorists-into-re/

I've posted links about this before, if you choose to ignore facts that don't align with your preconceived notions, that's on you. Also, if you can't understand how the right would think you care more for refugees instead of your fellow Americans since you oppose any temporary halting of refugees from dangerous countries, nothing I say will change that. BTW, USAF 1975-1979

Yes, I believe everything Bashar al Assad says. He is a renowned truth teller, and his well known humanitarian efforts in dealing with refugees still astounds the rest of the world.

Thanks for your service Tim.