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I would love to hear from the Administration exactly what Extreme Vetting is and how it will keep us safer than the current vetting process.
I would also like to hear how it differs from the current vetting we do today which seems to be pretty extreme. Do people really think we were not doing extensive vetting today of most of the countries in question ? If so AGAIN take the time to review the following.
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Great question.
Especially since Donald Trump was successful in convincing his fans that there was no vetting process at all.
It would be interesting to see what Trumpers current level of knowledge is, and how much interest they have in understanding the reality of vetting.
I'm betting that we don't see much beyond a nasty drive-by post.
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OK, well maybe NO ONE KNOWS what "Exteme Vetting" is yet. But, Trumpers (or anyone) tell us what what wrong with our CURRENT vetting (referencing the clip from 60 Minutes as a guide).
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"Extreme Vetting" is a marketing slogan. Plain and simple.
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Definition of vetting:
to appraise, verify, or check for accuracy, authenticity, validity
Now that sounds like something Trump and his cohorts would be really good at.
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Well, perhaps extreme vetting is anything other than the no vetting process we now have. I have tried to investigate this and here's what I found.
The vetting process involves checking various international DB for criminal activities. The process also depends on information from the country of origin of the refugee. As we know, some of the countries on Trumps list have failed governments, getting any info from them on potential refugees is questionable. In the case of Syria, the Obama administration tried to do to him what they did to Gaddafi, so we can expect zero cooperation from him. In addition ISIS is made up of various terrorist organizations that banded together. They move across borders and probably don't show up on any DB in the country where they are located. With this lack of info, the vetting process can be nothing more than taking the word of the refugee. Trump has said that the countries he selected do not provide enough info to properly vet the refugees and is trying to come up with a process that will be better than this.
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Tim15856 wrote:
Well, perhaps extreme vetting is anything other than the no vetting process we now have.
I'm afraid that you've lost all credibility with that statement.
There is a vetting process.
If you want to argue that we should strengthen it, then we can have a conversation.
But, If you buy the Trump campaign line that "Bad people are pouring in with no vetting at all",,,,, there simply is no basis for a conversation.
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I thought the entire vetting process takes about 30 months, or 2.5 years. Am I right or wrong on this?
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Well, perhaps extreme vetting is anything other than the no vetting process we now have.
The Heritage Foundation lays out the existing vetting process is very clear and understandable terms. And I agree with their conclusion that there is always room for continuous improvement.
But to say there is no vetting process currently is not even remotely based in reality.
With several high-profile terrorist attacks around the world, including Paris and San Bernardino, Calif., many have raised serious concerns about how thoroughly individuals entering the U.S. are screened.In particular, a lot of focus has been paid to the refugee process. Americans are understandably worried that terrorists might use any and all opportunities to enter the United States.
So what does the refugee vetting process look like? First, most applicants apply for refuge through the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, or UNHCR. The office then forwards some applications to the U.S. State Department, which prepares these applications for adjudication by Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
Once an applicant is referred to the State Department, biometric and biographic checks are done against various U.S. security databases at multiple points throughout the process.Multiple agencies systems and databases are incorporated in this process, including:
The State Department
-Consular Lookout and Support System
-Consular Consolidated Database-Department of Homeland Security
-TECS (a DHS security system)
-DHS Automated Biometric Identification System
National Counterterrorism Center/FBI's Terrorist Screening Center
-Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment
-Terrorist Screening Database
Federal Bureau of Investigation
-Extracts of the National Crime Information Center's Wanted Persons File, Immigration Violator File, Foreign Fugitive File, Violent Gang and Terrorist Organization File (and the Interstate Identification Index)
-Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System / Next Generation Identification
InterpolDrug Enforcement AdministrationDepartment of Defense
-Automated Biometric Identification SystemIn addition, the refugee process requires a security advisory opinion to be completed by the FBI and the intelligence community on many refugee applicants who are considered higher risk.
Similarly, interagency checks are constantly being done in connection with a wide range of U.S. agencies.In additional to these background checks, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services conducts a refugee interview. These interviews cover everything from refugee and immigration matters to security and country specific questions.
For example, Syrian refugee officers must undergo a one week training course on Syria-specific issues, including classified information. Additional scrutiny is already being applied to Syrians through the enhanced review for Syrian applicants process that puts additional security and intelligence resources at the disposal of adjudicators.Only at this point can an application be approved. For those that are approved, health screenings and orientations begin.
he State Department and Office of Refugee Resettlement within the Department of Health and Human Services work with voluntary resettlement agencies to arrange for resettlement services and assistance.After an average of 12-18 months, this process ends with entry into the U.S. According to the Department of Homeland Security, of the approximately 23,000 Syrian referrals made by the U.N. High Commissioner on Refugees to the U.S., only about 2,000 have been accepted.
The U.S. refugee system can be, should be, and is being picky at who we allow to enter the U.S. as a refugee.
The U.S. has made constant improvements to the program, learning from mistakes such as when in 2009, two Iraqi terrorists were caught in the U.S. after slipping through the vetting process. It is worth noting that these are the only two individuals who slipped through the screening processIs it enough? Is our government doing adequate due diligence? These are the key questions.
That's why the best recommendation for Congress right now is to demand detailed information from the administration on how risks are being mitigated. The administration should remain selective in the refugees it accepts, focusing on those applicants about whom the U.S. has an acceptable amount of intelligence.While this process is even more rigorous than most other visa programs, after the attack in San Bernardino, the American people deserve and Congress should request details about how all forms of vetting can be and should be constantly improved.
The government owes it to its citizens to use all lawful tools at its disposal to prevent terrorist travel.
Americans deserve a responsible program so they can continue to support refugees while also addressing real security concerns.
David Inserra specializes in cyber and homeland security policy as a policy analyst in The Heritage Foundation's Allison Center for Foreign Policy Studies. This piece was distributed by the Tribune News Service.
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Tim OBVIOUSLY has not taken the time to even understand what the current vetting process is. No sense discussing with him until he really does some factual analysis. I am guessing THAT is not going to happen.