Tim15856 wrote:

 The only thing I saw was if the president thought there was a possibility of harm to the public then he had the right to stop certain immigration.

Please explain this to me. Why are you guys fighting this so hard? It's only for a couple months while the Trump admin tries to strengthen the vetting process. As can be seen in this hearing =12.0pthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rC-qX6Q5m8 the vetting process isn't exactly fail safe. If Trump is wrong and the process is perfectly fine, then what is the damage? A few refugees spend a few more months in a camp. But what if you're wrong? Then American's die. In the past the left has been more concerned after a Muslim terrorist attack with the backlash toward the Muslim community. Is that all you guys care about? Do you have no concern about your fellow Americans?

Actually, I haven't fought it so hard. A federal judge says it was unconstitutional. But, I'm more than happy to fight it.

What damage occurs by imposing laws which are unconstitutional?
Seriously??
Hey, apply that question to the next second amendment case that comes up here, Timmy.

In my opinion the order is unconstitutional. It amounts to religious based discrimination that will lead to persecution.
It was sold to you by a serial liar who claimed that there was no vetting process at all. I don't believe that the EO will be temporary. How could you trust that man's word on anything?
The order will not make Americans safer. It was proposed to pander to the prejudices of the unsophisticated bigots who support the So-called President.

Finally, I support the Judiciary as a separate and co-equal branch of government, JUST AS THE FOUNDERS DID.
Why don't you?
Please explain this to me.

And please don't pretend that you are more concerned about your fellow americans dying than am I. If you cared at all about that you would support some common sense gun laws.  I mean, what's the harm in having universal background checks? I mean, they only take a few days. So, it's a little bit of an inconvenience. You care about your fellow americans so much, right?

Last edited by Goose (2/06/2017 12:14 pm)

TheLagerLad wrote:

Please explain this to me. Why are you guys fighting this so hard? It's only for a couple months while the Trump admin tries to strengthen the vetting process. As can be seen in this hearing =12.0pthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rC-qX6Q5m8 the vetting process isn't exactly fail safe. If Trump is wrong and the process is perfectly fine, then what is the damage? A few refugees spend a few more months in a camp. But what if you're wrong? Then American's die. In the past the left has been more concerned after a Muslim terrorist attack with the backlash toward the Muslim community. Is that all you guys care about? Do you have no concern about your fellow Americans?

First, there's no indication that the Travel Ban from these seven countries is going to make anyone safer. It is well documented that over the past 20 years, most, if not all terror attacks in the U.S. came from countries outside of the seven that Trump put in his Executive Order, or were self-radicalized individuals who were either born in the U.S. or have lived here a very long time.  Additionally, there is a very strong indication that the mechanisms already in place when it comes to vetting are as good as anything Trump's DHS could come up with. 

Second, we live in a country of laws. Trump has every right to sign all the executive orders he wants. But he's not a king. The courts are there to act as a check to Executive overreach when it occurs (and when the Congress acts as a lapdog to the President). I mean if Obama, back when he had solid majority in the House and the Senate, put out an executive order that mandates all gun owners turn in their firearms within 90 days, you'd probably be pretty happy that there is a judicial branch to shoot down that very unconstitutional order down.

Exactly ! 

Trump admin offered up no facts relating to why JUST these nations and not others OR what was WRONG with the current vetting OR even just what the extreme vetting would do or accomplish that is not being done today. 

IMHO it looked like an easy way to throw some red meat to his supporters and fulfill a campaign promise and not too much more. 

It was an easy sell. No one wants terrorism here, BUT without showing how we currently have a problem more so with these countries and terrorism and showing the problems with the current system it is just pretty much another empty promise as I see it. But, it does keep the faithful cheering in glee. 


 

Tim15856 wrote:

 The only thing I saw was if the president thought there was a possibility of harm to the public then he had the right to stop certain immigration.

Please explain this to me. Why are you guys fighting this so hard? It's only for a couple months while the Trump admin tries to strengthen the vetting process. As can be seen in this hearing =12.0pthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rC-qX6Q5m8 the vetting process isn't exactly fail safe. If Trump is wrong and the process is perfectly fine, then what is the damage? A few refugees spend a few more months in a camp. But what if you're wrong? Then American's die. In the past the left has been more concerned after a Muslim terrorist attack with the backlash toward the Muslim community. Is that all you guys care about? Do you have no concern about your fellow Americans?

I suggest visiting one of the camps.