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1/29/2017 10:14 am  #1


Executive Disorder

Inside the confusion of the Trump executive order and travel ban

By Evan Perez, Pamela Brown and Kevin Liptak, CNN

 (CNN)When President Donald Trump declared at the Pentagon Friday he was enacting strict new measures to prevent domestic terror attacks, there were few within his government who knew exactly what he meant.

Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings.

Saturday night, a federal judge granted an emergency stay for citizens of the affected countries who had already arrived in the US and those who are in transit and hold valid visas, ruling they can legally enter the US.
Trump's unilateral moves, which have drawn the ire of human rights groups and prompted protests at US airports, reflect the President's desire to quickly make good on his campaign promises. But they also encapsulate the pitfalls of an administration largely operated by officials with scant federal experience.


It wasn't until Friday -- the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days -- that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person familiar with the matter said.

The result was widespread confusion across the country on Saturday as airports struggled to adjust to the new directives. In New York, two Iraqi nationals sued the federal government after they were detained at John F. Kennedy International Airport, and 10 others were detained as well.

In Philadelphia, a Syrian family of six who had a visa through a family connection in the US was placed on a return flight to Doha, Qatar, and Department of Homeland Security officials said others who were in the air would be detained upon arrival and put back on a plane to their home country.

Asked during a photo opportunity in the Oval Office Saturday afternoon about the rollout, Trump said his government was "totally prepared."
"It's working out very nicely," Trump told reporters. "You see it at the airports. You see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we're going to have a very, very strict ban, and we're going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years."


The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance, according to numerous officials who spoke to CNN on Saturday.
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security leadership saw the final details shortly before the order was finalized, government officials said.

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.

The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.

There had been some debate whether green card holders should be even allowed to board international flights. It was decided by the Department of Homeland Security they could fly to the US and would be considered on a case-by-case basis after passing a secondary screening.
But the guidance sent to airlines on Friday night, obtained by CNN, said clearly, "lawful permanent residents are not included and may continue to travel to the USA."

As of Saturday afternoon, Customs and Border Protection continued to issue the same guidance to airlines as it did Friday, telling airlines that fly to the US that green card holders can board planes to the US but they may get extra scrutiny on arrival, according to an airline official.

Before the President issued the order, the White House did not seek the legal guidance of the Office of Legal Counsel, the Justice Department office that interprets the law for the executive branch. A source said the executive order did not follow the standard agency review process that's typically overseen by the National Security Council, though the source couldn't specifically say if that included the decision to not have the order go through the Office of Legal Counsel.

Separately, a person familiar with the matter said career officials in charge of enforcing the executive order were not fully briefed on the specifics until Friday. The officials were caught off guard by some of the specifics and raised questions about how to handle the new banned passengers on US-bound planes.

Regarding the green card holders and some of the confusion about whether they were impacted, the person familiar with the matter said if career officials had known more about the executive order earlier, some of the confusion could have been avoided and a better plan could be in place.

Administration officials also defended the process Saturday. They said the people who needed to be briefed ahead of time on the plane were briefed and that people at the State Department and DHS who were involved in the process were able to make decisions about who to talk and inform about this.

Bannon and Miller were running point on this order and giving directives regarding green cards, according to a Republican close to the White House.

But even after the Friday afternoon announcement, administration officials at the White House took several hours to produce text of the action until several hours after it was signed. Adviser Kellyanne Conway even said at one point it was not going to be released before eventually it did get sent out.

Administration officials also seemed unsure at first who was covered in the action, and a list of impacted countries was
only produced later on Friday night, hours after the President signed the document at the Pentagon.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/29/2017 10:25 am  #2


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What a mess.

 

1/29/2017 2:05 pm  #3


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Just Fred wrote:

What a mess.

Did your REALLY expect it to be well thought out ? 

Just check all the things done so far. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

1/29/2017 3:24 pm  #4


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Some Top Republicans in Congress Criticize Trump’s Refugee Policy

Mr. Trump’s executive order, which targets Syrian refugees and all travelers from several predominantly Muslim nations, had drawn little dissent from Republicans initially even as Democrats denounced it and protests erupted around the country and the world.

But on Sunday, several members of Mr. Trump’s party said that the process, while initiated with the right intention, had been too hastily enacted and could backfire against U.S. interests.

Republican Senators John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina issued a statement that said Mr. Trump’s order was not properly vetted and could be seen as the United States turning its back on Muslims who had risked their lives to serve as interpreters for United States military and diplomats.

“Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism,” they said, adding “That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.”

Mr. McCain also said the plan was carried out without proper consultation of American allies and that mistakenly lumped together the country’s adversaries, like Iran, with allies, like Iraq.


Republicans have largely supported Mr. Trump’s aggressive agenda on other matters, but in his first major decision on national security, he is finding uncharacteristic opposition from his party in the blush of his early days in office.

Senator Rob Portman, Republican of Ohio, likewise questioned the hastiness of the order’s rollout and called for a re-evaluation of the White House’s unilateral effort.

“You have an extreme vetting proposal that did not get the vetting it should have had,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union,” adding that Congress should be part of finding a solution.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/politics/republicans-congress-trump-refugees.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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1/29/2017 7:33 pm  #5


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I predict that the unintended consequence of the ban will actually diminish our National Security in that it will turn off moderate Muslims (and perhaps turn them to look at jihad) and also lessen the likelihood of co-operation with those same moderate Muslims that we rely on for intelligence both here and abroad. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

1/30/2017 7:33 am  #6


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Amateur hour at the white house.
Reminds me of the great Casey Stengel.
After an error filled inning, he looked down the the dugout and asked,
"Anybody here know how to play this game?"


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1/30/2017 8:32 am  #7


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Mike Pence, Dec. 8, 2015 tweeted:
“Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional,” Pence wrote at the time. Later that day, while speaking to reporters, Pence doubled down on his stance, saying that the U.S. “cannot, and should not discriminate on the basis or religion. The free exercise of religion is at the very heart of our constitutional guarantees for all persons in this country.”


Paul Ryan, Aug. 1, 2016 tweeted:
“A religious test for entering our country is not reflective of America’s fundamental values. I reject it,”



Funny how things change.

Can you say hypocrite?


It's going to be an interesting 4 Years.

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1/30/2017 8:37 am  #8


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But, it's not a Muslim ban.
Wink, wink.


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1/30/2017 9:01 am  #9


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Morning Joe blames ‘very young’ Trump advisor for travel ban disaster: ‘This weekend was a disgrace’

President Donald Trump’s foreign policy team issued a warning over the weekend to the White House staff, according to MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough.

“We hope the staff, the young staff members at the White House, enjoyed their time trying to make policy on their own without talking to us, because that will never happen again,” Scarborough said, paraphrasing what those officials told him during extensive meetings. “The exact quote was, ‘The chain is tightening quickly.'”

The host of “Morning Joe” said top officials in the executive branch were particularly angry at Stephen Miller, the senior White House advisor for policy, for restructuring the National Security Council to include Steve Bannon, the president’s chief strategist.

The pair have reportedly been writing executive orders without consulting federal agency lawyers or lawmakers, which has rankled top officials within the executive branch.

“You’ve got a very young person in the White House on a power trip thinking that you can just write executive orders and tell all of your other cabinet agencies to go to hell, and Washington’s in an uproar this morning — forget about what’s happening in the street — because Stephen Miller decided he was going to do this without going through the regular inter-agency process,” Scarborough said.

Scarborough harshly lectured Miller, a former staffer for Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) and Trump’s speechwriter, about the realities of working in Washington, D.C.

“By the time you’re 35, maybe you’ll know how Washington and the White House really works — if you’re still around, I hope you’re not,” he said. “Because this weekend was a disgrace, and it’s all on your shoulders.”

He said the president did not admit the travel ban on visitors from many majority-Muslim nations had been a mistake, but Scarborough said Trump’s advisors were upset with the process for issuing the executive order.

“Those around him, you can tell, there had been discussions, and that those around him believe that this got off very badly for several reasons,” Scarborough said. “First of all, they didn’t explain it to the media. They didn’t communicate it properly, they didn’t explain what it was and what it wasn’t, and then, of course, the much, much larger problem was, there was no vetting with the agencies.”

Trump didn’t understand why the public was so outraged by the order, Scarborough said.

“The president’s feeling was, this is what I promised people to do,” Scarborough said, adding that former President Barack Obama had identified those same countries as potential threats. “(But) that’s the sort of thing you don’t talk about on Sunday, that’s the sort of thing you talk about last week while you’re building up to this.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/morning-joe-blames-very-young-trump-advisor-for-travel-ban-disaster-this-weekend-was-a-disgrace/

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1/30/2017 10:43 am  #10


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This mass confusion is what happens when those in charge have no clue how our government functions.  We're lucky they haven't started a war yet!

 

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