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1/26/2017 10:44 am  #1


Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

Metcalfe, Lawmakers Urge President Trump
to Shield States
from Federal Real ID Mandate  


             http://www.pahousegop.com/Display/SiteFiles/15/OtherDocuments/REAL%20ID%20letter%20to%20President_1-24-17.pdf


Pennsylvania House State Government Committee Majority Chairman Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler) and 115 other state lawmakers sent the following letter to President Donald Trump in response to the June 6, 2017, federal government deadline to comply with the requirements of the REAL ID Act.

“Dear Mr. President:

“Congratulations on your election to the Office of President of the United States. We look forward to working with you and your administration to make America great again.

“We are writing to you regarding a matter of great concern to a number of Americans—implementation of the federal REAL ID Act—and we are respectfully asking you to work with the states and the U.S. Congress to resolve the constitutional issues that this law has raised and relieve the states of the massive cost that this law has burdened taxpayers with throughout our nation.

“You may be aware that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (USDHS) made recent announcements regarding the status of Pennsylvania driver’s licenses and non-driver ID cards in relation to the REAL ID Act. In October, USDHS notified Pennsylvania that state residents would face new restrictions in entering federal facilities and boarding domestic airline flights because our driver's licenses and the non-driver IDs issued by our Department of Transportation (PennDOT) are not considered to be in full compliance with requirements established by the federal REAL ID Act.

“While the October announcement indicated that Pennsylvania would not receive a renewed REAL ID extension at that time, the USDHS has since granted the Commonwealth a limited extension. Pursuant to this extension, dated January 19, citizens of the Commonwealth will not be able to use their driver’s license to access nuclear power plants, military bases and secure federal buildings after June 6, 2017. The prior USDHS announcement regarding use of Pennsylvania driver’s licenses to board domestic commercial flights remains in place. Thus, Pennsylvanians will not be able to use their driver’s licenses to get through airport security starting January 22, 2018, unless USDHS provides another extension or announces that the Commonwealth is in compliance.

“While we have concerns regarding the practical impact of these announcements on our constituents’ ability to enter federal facilities and board domestic flights, we also have continuing objections to the REAL ID Act. The Pennsylvania General Assembly voiced its objections to this federal mandate in a very concrete way by enacting Act 38 of 2012, the REAL ID Nonparticipation Act. This law bars the Governor of Pennsylvania and PennDOT from participating in REAL ID. [Note: the vote in the state Senate was unanimous; the state House vote was 189-5].

“Opposition to the federal REAL ID Act in Pennsylvania has been based on the following concerns:


  • States’ Rights - States have been the exclusive regulator of driver licensing and have instituted their own regulations and policies regarding the issuance of licenses and safety information, and other aspects of transportation policy administration. The Tenth Amendment establishes that ‘[t]he powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively . . . .’ By ‘federalizing’ driver licensing the REAL ID Act usurps this power which has been reserved to the states.
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  • Cost - The REAL ID Act imposes a significant unfunded mandate on the states. The National Conference of State Legislators (NCSL) estimated that REAL ID implementation costs over 5 years nationwide could be as much as $11 billion. PennDOT has received $5.4 million in federal grants to assist with REAL ID requirements. However, a fiscal analysis of Act 38 of 2012 estimated the initial start-up costs to fully implement REAL ID would be $141 million. Additionally, when Act 38 was enacted it was anticipated that REAL ID would impose $39 million in additional, annual operational costs on the Commonwealth. (These costs are expected to increase the price tag of a Pennsylvania driver’s license by a substantial amount).
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  • Burden on Citizens - Pennsylvanians will be required to visit a PennDOT facility upon their first renewal after REAL ID compliance, and to produce a certified, raised-seal birth certificate and two proofs of address bearing the person’s name, such as a utility or mortgage bill. This will need to be done at 16-year intervals, and upon any change of address regardless of how long the individual has been a licensed driver in the Commonwealth.
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  • Privacy – The REAL ID Act creates a national identity registry by requiring the personal data of every person with an ID to be available to each state and U.S. territory. Accessibility to such personal data could increase the potential for fraud and identity theft. 
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“Given that the REAL ID Law inserts the federal government into a power reserved to the states, we believe that Congress had no constitutional authority to be involved in drivers’ licensing. Despite this intrusion, Pennsylvania has improved the security of our driver’s licenses and non-driver ID cards. In a September 2016 letter to PennDOT, USDHS confirmed that the Commonwealth had taken 33 specific steps to enhance ID security.

“We are respectfully requesting that you assist us in resolving the constitutional and cost issues associated with the REAL ID Act by directing your administration to reexamine the application of its burdensome provisions and encouraging the United States Congress to make changes to the law.

“We thank you for your consideration and greatly appreciate your time and attention to this important matter of mutual concern.”


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

1/26/2017 1:29 pm  #2


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

What do you Trump supporters think of this (as opposed to just copying it) ?


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

1/26/2017 2:15 pm  #3


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

You know what I find interesting about this letter to president Trump from Pennsylvania legislators urging him not to require Pennsylvanians from obtaining new driver's licenses that would comply with federal ID requirements? I mean, they talk about the cost and inconvenience to the state and the burden that would be on their constituents. Sounds like they are really concerned about their constituents, doesn't it?

Well the curious thing to me is that the authors of that letter, Metcalf & Turzai, were the prime sponsors and advocates for passage of the Pennsylvania house and senate's efforts in 2012 to invoke the voter ID law. And, if you look at the documentation of the recorded votes on passage of that voter ID law, you'll see a lot of the same names voting in the affirmative for that law as signers on this letter against requiring PA driver's licenses to comply with federal ID laws.

That pretty much seems like a conflict to me. When Turzai boasted that the voter ID law in PA would "guarantee" the election of Mitt Romney, he certainly didn't care about the expense or inconvenience that would be necessary for all Pennsylvanians to obtain a voter ID. Mainly because Turzai, Metcalf and their cohorts were attempting to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of legally entitled Pennsylvanians from voting in the general election. All of the sudden, when the federal government asks that the state bring their driver's license into compliance with security procedures that will lessen the possibility of counterfeiting the document (as 41 of 50 states have already done) our group of state legislative good ol' boys do a 180.

Somebody explain this hypocrisy to me . . . Please.

 

1/26/2017 2:34 pm  #4


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

Rongone wrote:

You know what I find interesting about this letter to president Trump from Pennsylvania legislators urging him not to require Pennsylvanians from obtaining new driver's licenses that would comply with federal ID requirements? I mean, they talk about the cost and inconvenience to the state and the burden that would be on their constituents. Sounds like they are really concerned about their constituents, doesn't it?

Well the curious thing to me is that the authors of that letter, Metcalf & Turzai, were the prime sponsors and advocates for passage of the Pennsylvania house and senate's efforts in 2012 to invoke the voter ID law. And, if you look at the documentation of the recorded votes on passage of that voter ID law, you'll see a lot of the same names voting in the affirmative for that law as signers on this letter against requiring PA driver's licenses to comply with federal ID laws.

That pretty much seems like a conflict to me. When Turzai boasted that the voter ID law in PA would "guarantee" the election of Mitt Romney, he certainly didn't care about the expense or inconvenience that would be necessary for all Pennsylvanians to obtain a voter ID. Mainly because Turzai, Metcalf and their cohorts were attempting to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of legally entitled Pennsylvanians from voting in the general election. All of the sudden, when the federal government asks that the state bring their driver's license into compliance with security procedures that will lessen the possibility of counterfeiting the document (as 41 of 50 states have already done) our group of state legislative good ol' boys do a 180.

Somebody explain this hypocrisy to me . . . Please.

Call Kelly Ann Conway ! 
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

1/26/2017 2:36 pm  #5


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

Rongone wrote:

You know what I find interesting about this letter to president Trump from Pennsylvania legislators urging him not to require Pennsylvanians from obtaining new driver's licenses that would comply with federal ID requirements? I mean, they talk about the cost and inconvenience to the state and the burden that would be on their constituents. Sounds like they are really concerned about their constituents, doesn't it?

Well the curious thing to me is that the authors of that letter, Metcalf & Turzai, were the prime sponsors and advocates for passage of the Pennsylvania house and senate's efforts in 2012 to invoke the voter ID law. And, if you look at the documentation of the recorded votes on passage of that voter ID law, you'll see a lot of the same names voting in the affirmative for that law as signers on this letter against requiring PA driver's licenses to comply with federal ID laws.

That pretty much seems like a conflict to me. When Turzai boasted that the voter ID law in PA would "guarantee" the election of Mitt Romney, he certainly didn't care about the expense or inconvenience that would be necessary for all Pennsylvanians to obtain a voter ID. Mainly because Turzai, Metcalf and their cohorts were attempting to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of legally entitled Pennsylvanians from voting in the general election. All of the sudden, when the federal government asks that the state bring their driver's license into compliance with security procedures that will lessen the possibility of counterfeiting the document (as 41 of 50 states have already done) our group of state legislative good ol' boys do a 180.

Somebody explain this hypocrisy to me . . . Please.

Phenomenal point Ron. I'm against the federal government sticking their fingers into our licensing process and think Real ID should be dropped. 

But the hypocrisy is staggering. The Pennsylvania GOP had no problem trying to spend several million on Voter ID back in 2011-12 but have issues with it now (although the $11 billion figure over 5 years seems a bit bloated, but who knows with the federal gov't these days).

Either way, leave my driver's license alone.
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

1/27/2017 2:16 pm  #6


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

What do you think, common?
You did start the thread. You must have some opinions.

Last edited by Goose (1/27/2017 2:17 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/28/2017 10:12 am  #7


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

Could someone condense all the blah, blah, blah for me please?

What, exactly, is this meant to accomplish?
 


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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1/28/2017 11:39 am  #8


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

Conspiracy Theory wrote:

Could someone condense all the blah, blah, blah for me please?

What, exactly, is this meant to accomplish?
 

I guess extreme vetting isn't so popular when it's done to those Pennsylvanians,,,,,


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/28/2017 11:47 am  #9


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

TheLagerLad wrote:

I'm against the federal government sticking their fingers into our licensing process and think Real ID should be dropped. 
 

I agree with this statement.  There is too much federal government overreach from both parties.

 

1/31/2017 5:51 pm  #10


Re: Lawmakers Urge President Trump to Shield States from Federal Real ID

Rongone wrote:

Sounds like they are really concerned about their constituents, doesn't it?

Well the curious thing to me is that the authors of that letter, Metcalf & Turzai, were the prime sponsors and advocates for passage of the Pennsylvania house and senate's efforts in 2012 to invoke the voter ID law. And, if you look at the documentation of the recorded votes on passage of that voter ID law, you'll see a lot of the same names voting in the affirmative for that law as signers on this letter against requiring PA driver's licenses to comply with federal ID laws.

I was wondering about that too.

In fact, I seem to recall them saying how easy it is to obtain "real" ID.

Looks like it's okay to restrict the right to vote but not the 'right' to fly.


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