Brady Bunch wrote:

tennyson wrote:

Brady Bunch wrote:

They know they can't do anything to stop the "repeal", but I think they really want it to happen.  While the ACA has helped people, there are some serious financial issues coming in the near future. If the Republicans repeal it, those financial issues probably don't come to fruition and the Dems avoid all blame, and if the issues do happen the Dems can blame it on the repeal.  Then they hope the Republican's fail in their health plan and the Dems will point to all the people they helped and how it was better than what the Republican's did.

Pure politics, plain and simple

Seems EITHER would be considered political, would it not ?  


 

I'm not sure sure I follow, can you elaborate on what you mean when you say either would be considered political?  Are you referring to the Republican repeal and replace?

I was referring to the taking to the airwaves that Lager alluded to vs your contention that doing nothing was political. Seems BOTH would be political. Not sure if the doing nothing is strictly political or not. But, I do believe that the replacement will give the R-tribe a black eye even more so than the Obamacare itself for the Dems. I have yet to hear ANY coherent plan for the replacement. The REAL issue is health care itself in the whole country and its associated costs. 

In any case it is likely in the Republican ball court now to try to fix (not only the ACA but health care costs in general)

Wait till they might try tinkering with Medicare which they have threatened for years to do. All Hell will break out. Us Seniors are cantankerous folks. 

tennyson wrote:

I was referring to the taking to the airwaves that Lager alluded to vs your contention that doing nothing was political. Seems BOTH would be political. Not sure if the doing nothing is strictly political or not. But, I do believe that the replacement will give the R-tribe a black eye even more so than the Obamacare itself for the Dems. I have yet to hear ANY coherent plan for the replacement. The REAL issue is health care itself in the whole country and its associated costs. 

In any case it is likely in the Republican ball court now to try to fix (not only the ACA but health care costs in general)

Wait till they might try tinkering with Medicare which they have threatened for years to do. All Hell will break out. Us Seniors are cantankerous folks. 

Those ads would certainly be political, everything that is done in DC always has a political component.  But if I am understanding Lager's point about those ads, it would be to highlight the positives of the ACA in order to fight the repeal.  If that is what they did, it would also be fighting for people who they think may be harmed by the repeal and not purely politically calculated..

By doing nothing, they are either just giving up on the ACA (which doesn't make sense to me) or they have decided they are just going to let the Republicans "own" the ACA repeal and what happens.  Don't forget last week President Obama spoke to Congressional Dems and basically told them not to help Republicans repeal or come up with a replacement.  Seems like they decided to play the pure political move to me.

By doing nothing, they are either just giving up on the ACA (which doesn't make sense to me) or they have decided they are just going to let the Republicans "own" the ACA repeal and what happens.  Don't forget last week President Obama spoke to Congressional Dems and basically told them not to help Republicans repeal or come up with a replacement.  Seems like they decided to play the pure political move to me.

Since the R-Tribe controls every branch of the federal government and most state governorships and legislatures, I'm sure when they become stymied within their own tribe, they will ask for advice and help from the D-Tribe.  Let's hold our breath and wait for that to happen.    

Goose wrote:

Rather odd to see the democrats being accused of playing politics for not trying harder to prevent a repeal that they can't prevent.
Damned odd, in fact.

Hey, they plastered the airwaves for nearly a year. And what good did it do?
The people have spoken, and judging from the composition of congress they know what they want. And they are going to get it.

The dems can run all the ads that they want, but they can't change a single seat for two years.

I'm philosophical. I had employer provided insurance before the ACA came, and I will have it after the ACA goes.
As for anybody else, oh well. I tried. But my vision for the country lost.
Republicans have the ball. And it's all on them from this day forward.

And this my friends is why Democrats lose. Sitting back and hoping others screw something up rather than fighting for every last vote.

Yes, the Dems can't do anything in the House. But they have flippable votes in the Senate. Sens. Collins, Murkowski, and Alexander are on record saying a replacement needs to be in place before repeal can occur.

Rand Paul is against the budget that raises the debt 9 trillion over the next decade that includes the reconciliation language that would allow repeal to go forward.

Repeal is not a slam dunk in the Senate unless the minority party passively sits by and lets it occur. I see no harm is spending a half million dollars in states the may get people, both D's and R's, who are on the ACA from calling their Senator and demanding repeal doesn't happen unless a replacement is ready to go.
 

Those pesky Republicans need to be careful--particularly those who come up for reelection in a year or two.   However they screw up will be quickly remembered come election day.