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1/03/2017 9:14 am  #1


Interesting Experiment

This has been implemented in other regions and countries (even Alaska to some extent), and it should be interesting to monitor how this works out.

Finland has started a radical experiment: It's giving 2,000 citizens a guaranteed income, with funds that keep flowing whether participants work or not.

The program, which kicks off this month, is one of the first efforts to test a "universal basic income." Participants will receive €560 ($587) a month -- money that is guaranteed regardless of income, wealth or employment status.

The idea is that a universal income offers workers greater security, especially as technological advances reduce the need for human labor. It will also allow unemployed people to pick up odd jobs without losing their benefits.

The initial program will run for a period of two years. Participants were randomly selected, but had to be receiving unemployment benefits or an income subsidy. The money they are paid through the program will not be taxed.

If the program is successful, it could be expanded to include all adult Finns.

The Finnish government thinks the initiative could save money in the long run. The country's welfare system is complex and expensive to run, and simplifying it could reduce costly bureaucracy.

The change could also encourage more jobless people to look for work, because they won't have to worry about losing unemployment benefits. Some unemployed workers currently avoid part time jobs because even a small income boost could result in their unemployment benefits being canceled.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/02/news/economy/finland-universal-basic-income/
 

Last edited by Just Fred (1/03/2017 9:17 am)

 

1/03/2017 9:22 am  #2


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It first glance I didn't get it.
But, these people already get assistance thru a complex system that is expensive to run. So, maybe if you just pay it as income, you will save costs in the long run.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/03/2017 9:23 am  #3


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From article:

"Switzerland last year considered giving every adult citizen a guaranteed income of $2,500 a month, but the plan was rejected in a referendum. More than 75% of voters were against the measure."


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

1/03/2017 9:30 am  #4


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Common Sense wrote:

From article:

"Switzerland last year considered giving every adult citizen a guaranteed income of $2,500 a month, but the plan was rejected in a referendum. More than 75% of voters were against the measure."

So?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/03/2017 9:37 am  #5


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I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

1/03/2017 9:47 am  #6


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Thanks, Lager. I read the Porter piece in the NYT, and will check out the others as well.

Universal income has big problems.
Its first hurdle is arithmetic. As Robert Greenstein of the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities put it, a check of $10,000 to each of 300 million Americans would cost more than $3 trillion a year.

That simply is not going to happen.
I think that you'd have to target the poor and simply replace the various forms of assistance they get now, with a check. 
Would this increase the quality of life of the poor? I honestly don't know.
Could it cost less to administer than the current system?
Would it be a disincentive to work for unskilled people?

Lots to chew on.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

1/03/2017 10:28 am  #7


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Good stuff there, Lager.  As Goose mentioned, "lots to chew on." 

Remember, this is an experiment.  I'm all for experimentation instead of forming a conclusion based on pre-existing bias. That's the very opposite of scientific method and inquiry.  Let's check in on this experiment periodically and not accept or blow it off from the start.

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