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12/26/2016 12:06 pm  #1


Wielding Claims of ‘Fake News,’ Conservatives Take Aim at Media

Wielding Claims of ‘Fake News,’ Conservatives Take Aim at Mainstream Media


WASHINGTON — The C.I.A., the F.B.I. and the White House may all agree that Russia was behind the hacking that interfered with the election. But that was of no import to the website Breitbart News, which dismissed reports on the intelligence assessment as “left-wing fake news.”

Rush Limbaugh has diagnosed a more fundamental problem. “The fake news is the everyday news” in the mainstream media, he said on his radio show recently. “They just make it up.”

Some supporters of President-elect Donald J. Trump have also taken up the call. As reporters were walking out of a Trump rally this month in Orlando, Fla., a man heckled them with shouts of “Fake news!”

Until now, that term had been widely understood to refer to fabricated news accounts that are meant to spread virally online. But conservative cable and radio personalities, top Republicans and even Mr. Trump himself, incredulous about suggestions that fake stories may have helped swing the election, have appropriated the term and turned it against any news they see as hostile to their agenda.


In defining “fake news” so broadly and seeking to dilute its meaning, they are capitalizing on the declining credibility of all purveyors of information, one product of the country’s increasing political polarization. And conservatives, seeing an opening to undermine the mainstream media, a longtime foe, are more than happy to dig the hole deeper.

“Over the years, we’ve effectively brainwashed the core of our audience to distrust anything that they disagree with. And now it’s gone too far,” said John Ziegler, a conservative radio host, who has been critical of what he sees as excessive partisanship by pundits. “Because the gatekeepers have lost all credibility in the minds of consumers, I don’t see how you reverse it.”

Journalists who work to separate fact from fiction see a dangerous conflation of stories that turn out to be wrong because of a legitimate misunderstanding with those whose clear intention is to deceive. A report, shared more than a million times on social media, that the pope had endorsed Mr. Trump was undeniably false. But was it “fake news” to report on data models that showed Hillary Clinton with overwhelming odds of winning the presidency? Are opinion articles fake if they cherry-pick facts to draw disputable conclusions?

“Fake news was a term specifically about people who purposely fabricated stories for clicks and revenue,” said David Mikkelson, the founder of Snopes, the myth-busting website. “Now it includes bad reporting, slanted journalism and outright propaganda. And I think we’re doing a disservice to lump all those things together.”

The right’s labeling of “fake news” evokes one of the most successful efforts by conservatives to reorient how Americans think about news media objectivity: the move by Fox News to brand its conservative-slanted coverage as “fair and balanced.” Traditionally, mainstream media outlets had thought of their own approach in those terms, viewing their coverage as strictly down the middle. Republicans often found that laughable.

As with Fox’s ubiquitous promotion of its slogan, conservatives’ appropriation of the “fake news” label is an effort to further erode the mainstream media’s claim to be a reliable and accurate source.

“What I think is so unsettling about the fake news cries now is that their audience has already sort of bought into this idea that journalism has no credibility or legitimacy,” said Angelo Carusone, the president of Media Matters, a liberal group that polices the news media for bias. “Therefore, by applying that term to credible outlets, it becomes much more believable.”

Conservative news media are now awash in the “fake news” condemnations. When coverage of Mr. Trump’s choice for labor secretary, Andrew F. Puzder, highlighted his opposition to minimum wage increases, the writer and radio host Erick Erickson wrote that Mr. Puzder should have been getting more credit for pointing out that such increases lead to higher unemployment. “To say otherwise is to push fake news,” he wrote. (The effects actually have been found to vary from city to city.)

Infowars, the website run by the conservative provocateur and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, labeled as “fake news” a CNN report that Ivanka Trump would move into the office in the White House normally reserved for the first lady.

Mr. Trump has used the term to deny news reports, as he did on Twitter recently after various outlets said he would stay on as the executive producer of “The New Celebrity Apprentice” after taking office in January. “Ridiculous & untrue — FAKE NEWS!” he wrote. (He will be credited as executive producer, a spokesman for the show’s creator, Mark Burnett, has said. But it is unclear what work, if any, he will do on the show.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/politics/fake-news-claims-conservatives-mainstream-media-.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

12/26/2016 12:45 pm  #2


Re: Wielding Claims of ‘Fake News,’ Conservatives Take Aim at Media

Just shows how easily some are brainwashed. 

I am sure there will always be some bad reporting by news media (we see it on BOTH sides of the aisle), but to lambast the media in general is a fools play. In Trump's case it many times is to cover up non-factual statements he himself has made. 

But, to the point of "fake news" we have already seen disastrous results of some "fake news" stories that were NOT spawned by the media itself but outside forces (the media, however, in some instances have been participants in the dupe itself and they need to get better at this up front and reporting the abuse if and when it occurs). 

We are in a new media era and it can help us or destroy us, for as has been said "the pen is mightier than the sword". 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

12/26/2016 1:39 pm  #3


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Well, if we're bent on totalitarian leadership and government, you gotta squash the media first.  That's from the textbook in 'Authoritarianism 101" class.  It's a freshmen requirement for a BS degree in Plutocratic Oligarchy.

 

12/27/2016 12:01 pm  #4


Re: Wielding Claims of ‘Fake News,’ Conservatives Take Aim at Media

It iis terribly sad to see conservatives willing to defend their agenda by closing their minds off to any idea, or fact that they find inconvenient.
Shocking, actually.
We have seen it here on the board, and we will see more of it as we go forward.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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12/27/2016 4:21 pm  #5


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Fake stories did not cause Hillary to lose the election!
 
The one person that influenced the election was the candidate herself-Crooked Hillary.

Did the Russians/Fake News set up the Clinton foundation?

Did the Russians/Fake News set up a unauthorized server?

Did the Russians/Fake News place highly classified material on a unclassified server?

Did the Russians/Fake News pick a candidate for the democratic party that was under a active criminal FBI investigation?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary not to have a decent economic message for the rust belt?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary to slime half of the country? Basket of deplorable's!

Did the Russians/FakeNews force the Clinton campaign to rig the primary against Sanders?

Did the Russians?FakeNews tell the campaign to act like they won the election before they actually did? (arrogant, condescending, we are better than you attitude)

So the left is so traumatized they will say anything or do anything to try to make sense of the loss.

The Russian/Fake News excuse is just the latest. So once this plays out another excuse will pop up!

 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

12/27/2016 4:25 pm  #6


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Be afraid..... be very afraid!  



 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

12/27/2016 4:30 pm  #7


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Common Sense wrote:

Fake stories did not cause Hillary to lose the election!
 
The one person that influenced the election was the candidate herself-Crooked Hillary.

Did the Russians/Fake News set up the Clinton foundation?

Did the Russians/Fake News set up a unauthorized server?

Did the Russians/Fake News place highly classified material on a unclassified server?

Did the Russians/Fake News pick a candidate for the democratic party that was under a active criminal FBI investigation?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary not to have a decent economic message for the rust belt?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary to slime half of the country? Basket of deplorable's!

Did the Russians/FakeNews force the Clinton campaign to rig the primary against Sanders?

Did the Russians?FakeNews tell the campaign to act like they won the election before they actually did? (arrogant, condescending, we are better than you attitude)

So the left is so traumatized they will say anything or do anything to try to make sense of the loss.

The Russian/Fake News excuse is just the latest. So once this plays out another excuse will pop up!

 

Obviously, you did not read the article, common. You completely missed the topic of the thread.
It was about none of the things that you hysterically ranted about.
A 0% in reading comprehension.

Take your head out of your rear and read beyond the headlines once in a while.
It might save you from making a complete fool of yourself.

I would like to have some interesting discussions here, rather than enduring the off topic tantrums of a child.

It's as if certain key words,,,, Fake news,,,, Russia,,,etc   trigger a reflex  in you that demands a rehearsed response, as well as no involvement of your frontal lobe.

Last edited by Goose (12/27/2016 4:45 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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12/27/2016 4:32 pm  #8


Re: Wielding Claims of ‘Fake News,’ Conservatives Take Aim at Media

The notion that "fake news" is not important or has not happened is ludicrous. We have see recently the damage that it can create.

Further the notion that the media is responsible for fake news is even more  laughable although they sometimes play the dupes in the equation. 

It seems that anytime something that IS important to investigate, IF it steps on some political toes then certain people have a fit. 

Thank God we have an investigative media that does take the time to alert us to false information by doing digging and reporting of the same whether it be of a political nature or other. From a purely political nature BOTH sides SHOULD support this. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

12/27/2016 4:41 pm  #9


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I'm always reminded over and over and over again what Donald Trump said in a 1998 interview with People Magazine.  This time he was right and I agree with him.

 

12/27/2016 5:09 pm  #10


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Just Fred wrote:

I'm always reminded over and over and over again what Donald Trump said in a 1998 interview with People Magazine.  This time he was right and I agree with him.

You mean the quote where he says "If I were to run (as President), I would run as a Republican.  They're the dumbest group of voters in the country.  They believe anything on Fox News.  I could lie and they would still eat it up.  I bet my numbers would be terrific"?

Is that the quote you are referring to?  I presume it is since that is the only People's magazine quote attributed to him in 1998, but there is one problem with that, it is a FAKE STORY!  I guess people on both sides are susceptible to fake news when it fits their personal belief system.  How ironic.

 

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