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11/20/2016 6:54 am  #1


Springtime for Hitler

White Nationalists Celebrate ‘an Awakening’ After Donald Trump’s Victory



WASHINGTON — For years, they have lurked in the web’s dark corners, masking themselves with cartoon images and writing screeds about the demise of white culture under ominous pseudonyms. But on Saturday, in the wake of Donald J. Trump’s surprising election victory, hundreds of his extremist supporters converged on the capital to herald a moment of political ascendance that many had thought to be far away.

In the bowels of the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center, three blocks from the White House, members of the so-called alt-right movement gathered for what they had supposed would be an autopsy to plot their grim future under a Clinton administration. Instead, they celebrated the unexpected march of their white nationalist ideas toward the mainstream, portraying Mr. Trump’s win as validation that the tide had turned in their fight to preserve white culture.

“It’s been an awakening,” Richard B. Spencer, who is credited with coining the term alt-right, said at the gathering on Saturday. “This is what a successful movement looks like.”

The movement has been critical of politicians of all stripes for promoting diversity, immigration and perceived political correctness. Its critics call it a rebranded version of the Ku Klux Klan, promoting anti-Semitism, violence and suppression of minorities.

Intellectual leaders of the movement argue that they are merely trying to realize their desire for a white “ethno-state” where they can be left alone. Mr. Trump, with his divisive language about immigrants and Muslims, has given them hope that these dreams can come true.

“I never thought we would get to this point, any point close to mainstream acceptance or political influence,” said Matt Forney, 28, of Chicago. “The culture is moving more in my direction.”

Emboldened by Mr. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party, Mr. Forney said he expected people openly associated with the white nationalist movement to run as candidates in the 2018 midterm elections. The rise of populism and the decline of political correctness, he said, present a rare opportunity.

Robert Taylor, 29, described the conference as a “victory party.” Mr. Taylor was a committed libertarian, he said, working for Ron Paul’s presidential campaigns and even moving to New Hampshire for a project organized by the like-minded. If Hillary Clinton had won the election, he said, he would have advocated secession.

“I thought I had all the right answers and had read all the right books,” he said. “I heard about the alt-right movement, and it just lit a fire in me.”

Mr. Taylor said that with Mr. Trump, “we have breathing room; we have a little time.”

Mr. Trump has shrugged off any suggestions that he has connections to the alt-right. But his hard-line views on immigration and his “America First” foreign policy have captivated members of the movement. His appointment as chief strategist of Stephen K. Bannon, who has called Breitbart News, the website he long ran, a platform for the alt-right, has reinforced the notion that the incoming president is on their side.

The white nationalist embrace of Mr. Trump was on display Saturday at the gathering, which was the annual conference of a group called the National Policy Institute. Guests nibbled on chicken piccata while discussing ways to reorient America’s demographics. Many of the attendees, who were mostly white men, wore red “Make America Great Again” hats. T-shirts emblazoned with Mr. Trump’s face sold quickly.

While the enthusiasm inside the conference was evident, the resistance to the alt-right remains powerful. A recent surge in hate crimes and reports of verbal and physical assaults on minorities are putting new pressure on groups that promote racism.

Many sites will not host their events, and some of their members have had their social media accounts suspended in response to vicious trolling of Jewish journalists and critics of Mr. Trump. A large group of protesters marched around the Ronald Reagan Building, which, as a federal property, could not decline to host the conference.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/us/politics/white-nationalists-celebrate-an-awakening-after-donald-trumps-victory.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

11/20/2016 8:00 am  #2


Re: Springtime for Hitler

Hate doesn't die, it just hides for awhile. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

11/20/2016 12:04 pm  #3


Re: Springtime for Hitler

"Springtime for Hitler"

 Godwin's law

Godwin's Law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

It did not take very long!

Last edited by Common Sense (11/20/2016 12:05 pm)


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

11/20/2016 12:21 pm  #4


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I guess that Ole Common never saw The Producers.
You know, I thought about discontinuing my typically wry humor now that the Trumpers are back.
Too urban, too coastal, too, well, percipient.
But I refuse to dumb down the material for anybody.
I owe it to my readers! 

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11/20/2016 1:04 pm  #5


Re: Springtime for Hitler

The thread is about the celebration of Trump's election by white nationalists.  It has nothing to do with Godwin's Law, but if you want to discuss the pros and cons of authoritarian rule, I'd be happy join that conversation.

As far as the reference to the film, "The Producers", starring Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder, "Springtime for Hitler" was a song within a stage play that these two scammers directed.  It was to be a flop on Broadway, but ironically it became a hit.

Anyway, it's one on the funniest movies I've ever seen and I've watched it several times.  I recommend it to everyone.

 

11/20/2016 1:38 pm  #6


Re: Springtime for Hitler

Thanks Fred.

What do people think of this prediction?
Emboldened by Mr. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party, Mr. Forney said he expected people openly associated with the white nationalist movement to run as candidates in the 2018 midterm elections. The rise of populism and the decline of political correctness, he said, present a rare opportunity

Will people openly run as white nationalists?

Or will they continue past practices, like Trump refusing to denounce David Duke, insisting that he didn't  know who  Duke was, even though he had condemned Duke years ago. Or the ridiculous fiction that flying the Confederate flag is merely an expression of pride in heritage. Will the dog whistle terms be discontinued, and future politicians be more open in appealing to racism, and authoritarianism?

I guess it all depends on whether President Trump flies,,, or crashes and burns.

Last edited by Goose (11/20/2016 1:43 pm)


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11/20/2016 3:09 pm  #7


Re: Springtime for Hitler

Just for Commonsense. Here is a picture of participants at the NPI meeting described in the New York Times article. It was proudly posted by one of them on the Twitter thingy.

Hey, perhaps I am mistaken,,, but I don't think Godwin's Law applies when the people you are discussing compare themselves to the Nazis. 
  



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