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11/09/2016 11:29 am  #21


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

Tim15856 wrote:

Goose wrote:

There was a racial aspect with some of Trump's supporters. Let's not kid ourselves.
And NO, neither Fred nor I am suggesting that everybody who opposes Obama is a racist.
Let's not suggest that we were. It's neither accurate nor fair.

And yet, so many including the YDR will say that most if not all Trump voters are at least closet racists.

Troubling things; well, Trump's authoritarian mindset leads me to wonder how a free press will fare, and whether the power of the government will be brought to bear on political opponents. Dissent can be really irritating., and that guy doesn't seem to handle frustration too well.

Being in charge of so many things he's absolutely arrogant and self centered. One post in the YDR that I liked is with Trump, the MSM will keep him under the microscope and print every little thing they think is wrong. That should keep him under control. With Clinton, the MSM is so in lock step with her that they are pretty much OK with whatever she does.

Also, I don't have a clue as to how Trump is going to help the people. When it came to policy, there really was never much there there. Tremendous is not a plan. It was great politics telling frustrated people that their problems are all due to an incompetent elite. But, now that you are driving the bus you are going to have to accept that many of our problems are rather complex and intractable, and You can't deliver the painless remedy you promised. Then what?

Nothing there? What the hell do you think he got elected for? His basic policy statements resonated with the working class like no other. That they were lost in all the BS faux outrage of the left wasn't his fault. If he gets nothing done it will be better than if Clinton won. Anything she did would only make matters worse.

 

Please, be calm. Your guy won. Usually the losers are the angry ones.

Fact is, Trump was very light on policy details. He got elected by oversimplifying problems, blaming the elites for them,  and promising vague, easy solutions


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

11/09/2016 11:34 am  #22


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

Nothing there? What the hell do you think he got elected for? His basic policy statements resonated with the working class like no other. That they were lost in all the BS faux outrage of the left wasn't his fault. If he gets nothing done it will be better than if Clinton won. Anything she did would only make matters worse

Hold on Tim. Trump's policy specifics were weak at best. He won on the following:

- A general loathing of how our federal government has acted over the past decade
- Bringing to light the desperation a lot of people feel over their futures
- A flawed opponent
- His "brand"

Let's have our eyes very wide open: No one knows what a Trump presidency will bring. We knew a Clinton presidency would have domestically an extension of the Obama era and from a foreign policy perspective, a return (albeit minor) to the Bush Doctrine.

Trump is a wild card. I hope he does well, but right now, we just don't know.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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11/09/2016 11:39 am  #23


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

The good news is NOW the GOP has to produce. 

Some think it will be change and clearing out the swamp, but that is ALWAYS  how it seems to go. The first indication will be just how many swamp dwellers wind up in cabinet positions. Probably most. 

I am actually looking forward to the GOP doing something. It will be a tumultous first six months depending on how they want to change things.  

My biggest fear is on the Commander In Chief and some of the remarks Trump has made as pertains to that. I wish him well, however, as the alternative in this particular area is really unthinkable. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

11/09/2016 11:46 am  #24


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

Watching Hillary's concession speech. 

Won't lie. I wish she spoke with the emotion and authenticity she's showing now prior to the election.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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11/09/2016 11:55 am  #25


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

TheLagerLad wrote:

Watching Hillary's concession speech. 

Won't lie. I wish she spoke with the emotion and authenticity she's showing now prior to the election.

It was excellent ! 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

11/09/2016 12:02 pm  #26


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

As the father of a 10 year old daughter, the part of the speech when she said to young girls that "they are worthy of every opportunity, chance, and success they have" got me right in the throat.

I think I am going to get that made into a poster, frame it, and give it to her as a Christmas present.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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11/09/2016 12:19 pm  #27


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

Tim15856 wrote:

Goose wrote:

There was a racial aspect with some of Trump's supporters. Let's not kid ourselves.
And NO, neither Fred nor I am suggesting that everybody who opposes Obama is a racist.
Let's not suggest that we were. It's neither accurate nor fair.

And yet, so many including the YDR will say that most if not all Trump voters are at least closet racists.

 

I'm not affiliated with the YDR. And, to the best of my knowledge neither is Fred.
And yet, it's brought up here?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

11/09/2016 12:25 pm  #28


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

Let's be clear. The country is 98% not racist. The overwhelming majority of Trump voters were, and are not, racist.

If they were, Clinton would have won in a landslide.

It should hurt all of us that David Duke is crowing about the Trump victory. But he, and people like him our outliers in our society.

President Obama is making some very good comments about the transition to a President Trump. We should listen to those words and try to be good to one another.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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11/09/2016 12:28 pm  #29


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

TheLagerLad wrote:

Let's be clear. The country is 98% not racist. The overwhelming majority of Trump voters were, and are not, racist.

If they were, Clinton would have won in a landslide.

It should hurt all of us that David Duke is crowing about the Trump victory. But he, and people like him our outliers in our society.

President Obama is making some very good comments about the transition to a President Trump. We should listen to those words and try to be good to one another.

Exactly. But, pointing out the racial aspect of this seems to reliably  lead to hyperbole.
That is unfortunate.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

11/09/2016 8:29 pm  #30


Re: The Day After - General Thoughts and Lessons Learned

Goose wrote:

Tim15856 wrote:

Goose wrote:

There was a racial aspect with some of Trump's supporters. Let's not kid ourselves.
And NO, neither Fred nor I am suggesting that everybody who opposes Obama is a racist.
Let's not suggest that we were. It's neither accurate nor fair.

And yet, so many including the YDR will say that most if not all Trump voters are at least closet racists.

 

I'm not affiliated with the YDR. And, to the best of my knowledge neither is Fred.
And yet, it's brought up here?

Yeah, so? And who said you or Fred  think 'everyone' who opposes Obama is racist?

 

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