That's all I have for now, but I hope he becomes the leader of the DNC.

This is the second biggest story of the day. Who becomes the next de-facto leader of the Democratic Party?

The Clinton/DLC era of the Democratic Party ended last night.

Chuck Schumer will lead the Democrats in the Senate. Do the Dems remain a pro-business center left party in the mold of a Schumer, or does it become a populist party led by Sanders and Warren? Or does a third option come into the picture?

Well Fred, you had me until the last sentence. So, those who oppose Obama's policies are racists haters? I see where you're going with that. Add you and those like you who are to blame for Trump winning.  -  Tim

Yeah, I think I could have worded my thoughts on this subject better.  Of course not all those who opposed Obama are racists.  I just didn't think race would be a factor anymore after the election of a black president.  You don't think it is?

As far as my comment about under educated and/or under informed voters, I guess we'll just have to wait for some data concerning the demographics of the voters themselves. I would be the first to admit I'm wrong if the data doesn't link Trump voters to education or information levels.
 

There was a racial aspect with some of Trump's supporters. Let's not kid ourselves.
And NO, neither Fred nor I am suggesting that everybody who opposes Obama is a racist.
Let's not suggest that we were. It's neither accurate nor fair.

Two good things. Perhaps big money doesn't always win. Otherwise we would have had a Jeb-Hillary contest.
Speaking of Jeb, maybe it's good to see the Clinton/Bush era come to an end. I was always uncomfortable with the power shifting between two families.

Troubling things; well, Trump's authoritarian mindset leads me to wonder how a free press will fare, and whether the power of the government will be brought to bear on political opponents. Dissent can be really irritating., and that guy doesn't seem to handle frustration too well.

Also, I don't have a clue as to how Trump is going to help the people. When it came to policy, there really was never much there there. Tremendous is not a plan. It was great politics telling frustrated people that their problems are all due to an incompetent elite. But, now that you are driving the bus you are going to have to accept that many of our problems are rather complex and intractable, and You can't deliver the painless remedy you promised. Then what?

Lots more to come.

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All I am saying is that for Democrats to win white rural votes, they can't simultaneously call them stupid and then ask them to vote for them.  -  Lager

You are correct.  I agree.  Now let's see the R-Tribe (who now control the whole thing ......... White House, Senate, House, along with a constipated Supreme Court) plan to invest in education to raise the level of intellectual awareness across the country.
 

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There was a racial aspect with some of Trump's supporters. Let's not kid ourselves.
And NO, neither Fred nor I am suggesting that everybody who opposes Obama is a racist.
Let's not suggest that we were. It's neither accurate nor fair.

And yet, so many including the YDR will say that most if not all Trump voters are at least closet racists.

Troubling things; well, Trump's authoritarian mindset leads me to wonder how a free press will fare, and whether the power of the government will be brought to bear on political opponents. Dissent can be really irritating., and that guy doesn't seem to handle frustration too well.

Being in charge of so many things he's absolutely arrogant and self centered. One post in the YDR that I liked is with Trump, the MSM will keep him under the microscope and print every little thing they think is wrong. That should keep him under control. With Clinton, the MSM is so in lock step with her that they are pretty much OK with whatever she does.

Also, I don't have a clue as to how Trump is going to help the people. When it came to policy, there really was never much there there. Tremendous is not a plan. It was great politics telling frustrated people that their problems are all due to an incompetent elite. But, now that you are driving the bus you are going to have to accept that many of our problems are rather complex and intractable, and You can't deliver the painless remedy you promised. Then what?

Nothing there? What the hell do you think he got elected for? His basic policy statements resonated with the working class like no other. That they were lost in all the BS faux outrage of the left wasn't his fault. If he gets nothing done it will be better than if Clinton won. Anything she did would only make matters worse.