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10/27/2016 2:21 pm  #1


Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

COLORADO SPRINGS — Big crowds still mob Donald J. Trump when he comes to town, with fans waiting in long lines to attend his rallies, where they eagerly jeer his Democratic rival and holler happily at his message.

But beneath the cheering, a new emotion is taking hold among some Trump supporters as they grapple with reports predicting that he will lose the election: a dark fear about what will happen if their candidate is denied the White House. Some worry that they will be forgotten, along with their concerns and frustrations. Others believe the nation may be headed for violent conflict.

Jared Halbrook, 25, of Green Bay, Wis., said that if Mr. Trump lost to Hillary Clinton, which he worried would happen through a stolen election, it could lead to “another Revolutionary War.”

“People are going to march on the capitols,” said Mr. Halbrook, who works at a call center. “They’re going to do whatever needs to be done to get her out of office, because she does not belong there.”

“If push comes to shove,” he added, and Mrs. Clinton “has to go by any means necessary, it will be done.”

Interviews with more than 50 Trump supporters at campaign events in six states over the past week revealed a distinct change from the rollicking mood earlier this year, when Mr. Trump’s surprising primary successes and emergence as an unconventional Republican standard-bearer set off broad excitement. The crowds appeared on edge and quick to lash out.

And while some voters emphatically disputed polls suggesting that Mrs. Clinton would win, others offered an apocalyptic vision of what life would be like if she did.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

10/27/2016 2:28 pm  #2


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

Every party has its "wing-nuts". We just seem to be seeing more and more of them at the Trump gatherings. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

10/27/2016 2:56 pm  #3


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

These poor folks have been told by far right media, and by Trump himself, that if Clinton wins the republic is just over. 
And they believe it.


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10/27/2016 5:08 pm  #4


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

Maybe it's time to consider breaking up the USA into 4 or 5 chunks of autonomous nations. I know it sounds extreme and 'off the wall', but I don't know how long we can survive as a unified country going down this road much longer.  Imagine another 10, 20, or 30 years of this shit.

 

10/27/2016 7:37 pm  #5


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

Meh. People love to talk sh!t but at the end of the day rarely follow through. 

I think the idea of breaking up the country is a bad idea. The media's focus is always the negative so it seems like things are worse than they actually are.

But if we were to do that, here's how I think the country should be broken up. 5 nations of 10 states each.

Leading off: 

New New England! States include: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland.

Capital = New York City
President = Michael Bloomberg
Chief Export = Money, Puritanical Pride
National Anthem = Alexander Hamilton

Trump, The Country = States include Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota

Capital = Indianapolis
President = Paul Ryan
Chief Export = Milk
National Anthem = Home Sweet Home by Motley Crue

SECsylvania: States include South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas

Capital = Atlanta
President = Nick Saban
Chief Export = Texas, whose citizens don't find Mississippi sufficiently conservative enough and secede within 3 years
National Anthem = Rocky Top

Pipelineistan: States include Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, New Mexico, Utah, 

Capital = The Bahamas
President = A trilateral commission made up the head of Exxon/Mobil, Russell Westbrook, and a random meth dealer.
Chief Export = Greenhouse gases
National Anthem = All My Exes Live in Texas

Vulgaria: States include Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Hawaii, and the colonies of Iowa and the one other state I overlooked.

Capital = Las Vegas
President = Michael Bay
Chief Export = Weed
National Anthem = Gin and Juice by Snoop Dogg
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

10/27/2016 8:10 pm  #6


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

Woodard lays out his map in the new book “American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America.” Here’s how he breaks down the continent:

Yankeedom: Founded by Puritans, residents in Northeastern states and the industrial Midwest tend to be more comfortable with government regulation. They value education and the common good more than other regions.

New Netherland: The Netherlands was the most sophisticated society in the Western world when New York was founded, Woodard writes, so it’s no wonder that the region has been a hub of global commerce. It’s also the region most accepting of historically persecuted populations.

The Midlands: Stretching from Quaker territory west through Iowa and into more populated areas of the Midwest, the Midlands are “pluralistic and organized around the middle class.” Government intrusion is unwelcome, and ethnic and ideological purity isn’t a priority.

Tidewater: The coastal regions in the English colonies of Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland and Delaware tend to respect authority and value tradition. Once the most powerful American nation, it began to decline during Westward expansion.

Greater Appalachia: Extending from West Virginia through the Great Smoky Mountains and into Northwest Texas, the descendants of Irish, English and Scottish settlers value individual liberty. Residents are “intensely suspicious of lowland aristocrats and Yankee social engineers.”

Deep South: Dixie still traces its roots to the caste system established by masters who tried to duplicate West Indies-style slave society, Woodard writes. The Old South values states’ rights and local control and fights the expansion of federal powers.

El Norte: Southwest Texas and the border region is the oldest, and most linguistically different, nation in the Americas. Hard work and self-sufficiency are prized values.

The Left Coast: A hybrid, Woodard says, of Appalachian independence and Yankee utopianism loosely defined by the Pacific Ocean on one side and coastal mountain ranges like the Cascades and the Sierra Nevadas on the other. The independence and innovation required of early explorers continues to manifest in places like Silicon Valley and the tech companies around Seattle.

The Far West: The Great Plains and the Mountain West were built by industry, made necessary by harsh, sometimes inhospitable climates. Far Westerners are intensely libertarian and deeply distrustful of big institutions, whether they are railroads and monopolies or the federal government.

New France: Former French colonies in and around New Orleans and Quebec tend toward consensus and egalitarian, “among the most liberal on the continent, with unusually tolerant attitudes toward gays and people of all races and a ready acceptance of government involvement in the economy,” Woodard writes.

First Nation: The few First Nation peoples left — Native Americans who never gave up their land to white settlers — are mainly in the harshly Arctic north of Canada and Alaska. They have sovereignty over their lands, but their population is only around 300,000.

The clashes between the 11 nations play out in every way, from politics to social values. Woodard notes that states with the highest rates of violent deaths are in the Deep South, Tidewater and Greater Appalachia, regions that value independence and self-sufficiency. States with lower rates of violent deaths are in Yankeedom, New Netherland and the Midlands, where government intervention is viewed with less skepticism.

States in the Deep South are much more likely to have stand-your-ground laws than states in the northern “nations.” And more than 95 percent of executions in the United States since 1976 happened in the Deep South, Greater Appalachia, Tidewater and the Far West. States in Yankeedom and New Netherland have executed a collective total of just one person.

That doesn’t bode well for gun control advocates, Woodard concludes: “With such sharp regional differences, the idea that the United States would ever reach consensus on any issue having to do with violence seems far-fetched. The cultural gulf between Appalachia and Yankeedom, Deep South and New Netherland is simply too large. But it’s conceivable that some new alliance could form to tip the balance.”





 


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10/27/2016 9:40 pm  #7


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

Wow!  I never broke it down, but it's interesting for me anyway, that I wasn't the only one that thought about it. 

Speculate about this:  What if Lincoln and the north didn't win the Civil War?  What would America look like?

 

10/28/2016 3:58 am  #8


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

Just Fred wrote:

Wow!  I never broke it down, but it's interesting for me anyway, that I wasn't the only one that thought about it. 

Speculate about this:  What if Lincoln and the north didn't win the Civil War?  What would America look like?

Probably two nations that went on to fight a couple more wars with each other.

Last edited by Goose (10/28/2016 3:58 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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10/28/2016 7:16 am  #9


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

The article misses the point, in my judgment.
There is NOT going to be a revolution. There is NOT going to be blood in the streets.
The average Trump fan is NOT like the extremist Bundys.

What we are seeing here on full display is the Paranoid School of American politics. In it, otherwise normal people are willing to engage in apocalyptic language when expressing their political preferences.
It's venting, and the candidate encourages it for his own ends.

The danger is not violent revolution. The danger is four more years of nonfunctioning government, pointless hearings in the House chasing the White Whale (AKA Hillary); four years of focus on Bill Clinton, and chasing emails, while our problems continue to pile up.

Last edited by Goose (10/28/2016 7:18 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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10/28/2016 7:27 am  #10


Re: Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins

The danger is not violent revolution. The danger is four more years of nonfunctioning government.

Case in point:  Hasn't Ted Cruz already announced if Clinton gets elected, he would lead the charge to prevent the president from seating her choice for the Supreme Court no matter who it is?
 

 

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