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Trump Blows it. Again
Trump had some effective moments in tonight's debate. But, the only thing anybody is going to remember is that a major party nominee refused to guarantee that he would abide by the vote of the American people.
It was an unprecedented, disqualifying moment.
And then, the angry, misogynistic old man moment, "Such a nasty woman".
Game over.
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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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The game was over before the debate started. I don't think anyone was going to have their minds changed going into it and certainly, even with Trump's refusal to accept the results of the election, I don't think anyone changed their mind coming out of it.
Hillary's best moment was drawing the comparison between the last 30 years of her life and the last 30 years of Trump's life.
Anyway, November 8th can't get here soon enough. I'm so over this campaign.
I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
- Rongone
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Here's my perspective on last night's debate:
I thought Chris Wallace did a good job as the moderator. He asked clear questions. He tried to keep the candidates on message (which is very difficult with a wild card like Trump). He tried to keep them on message and on time. He also controlled the audience when necessary.
I thought Trump displayed himself once again as an incompetent statesman. His ignorance about international affairs, especially the situation in the Mideast is frighteningly stunning. His continual blaming of other countries, the media, and his very personal attacks on Obama, Bill & Hillary Clinton are merely poor attempts at masking his inability to present reasonable, detailed, viable plans that address issues. He presented nothing that would could be considered an outline for his vision of how he would solve any problem. The best that can be said for his performance is that he appeased his base, but he did not garner any new support, and he did not totally explode in an emotional tantrum.
I thought Hillary addressed most topics with rehearsed answers and, for the most part, held it together throughout Trump's inconsiderate personal attacks. She was the more skilled debater. Based upon both candidates' performance in this debate Clinton will maintain her lead throughout the remainder of the campaign and win the election without a problem.
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Good analysis Rongone.
I agree that Wallace did a very good job running the show. He was by far the best of this year's crop of moderators.
I found myself during the debate Hillary would have been meaner to Trump or at the very least showed some more emotion. Instead, I found that she still can't not talk like a robot when giving policy answers.
I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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If anyone is interested and has the time to read through it, here is NPR's analysis with fact checking of the entire text of the debate:
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Frankly, Trump just doesn't know enough to be on message about policy for 90 minutes. And, he doesn't seem to know much more than he did 14 months ago.
He gets bored, and frustrated, and reverts to his trademark low road of insults.
30 minutes of seeming OK will get washed aside with his "Nasty woman" comment. His "bad Hombre" remark, and the elephant in the room, that he refuses to acknowledge an election result if he's on the losing end.
The next few days will be key. If he can stabilize and move on, Trump loses a rather conventional loss.
If he spends days doubling down, and tweeting angry while his flying monkeys scramble to explain what he "really meant", then the entire bottom falls out and it is an election rout of truly staggering proportions that takes the republican Senate with it.
We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists.
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I watched a good part of it, also. I thought something quite revealing about his nature was his comment why the 'Apprentice' didn't get an award. He insinuated the show should have won, but maybe the voting was 'rigged'.
Bottomline for me is that throughout the entire campaign he just seems so negative about America. I'm wondering since he wants to make America great again just when does he think America was great?
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Trump did nothing to move the needle and he needed to big time. It is likely his swan song. What he IS keeping alive is a class of people that will flock to TV show/network that is based upon ideas like a rigged election (which may have been his intent from the beginning).
"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
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I'll go with all of the above--there's only so many ways to say the same things. My one problem with Chris Wallace is the couple of times he left Trump run away with incoherent nonsense and allow Trump to say, "just a minute," to Wallace who then allowed Trump to continue on with his ramblings about who-knows-what. Trump is toast in this election because he's lost all his marbles to Hilliary so he's pulled in his tail and going home.
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tennyson wrote:
Trump did nothing to move the needle and he needed to big time. It is likely his swan song. What he IS keeping alive is a class of people that will flock to TV show/network that is based upon ideas like a rigged election (which may have been his intent from the beginning).
Trump TV ? ! ? !
What would that be like . . . A collaboration between Fox 'news' and Bravo . . . Biased conspiracy theories presented in a reality TV format ?
Trump's son-in-law held talks to set up Trump TV network: source
Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, informally approached LionTree Advisors Chief Executive Aryeh Bourkoff about setting up a Trump TV network after the U.S. presidential election, but the investment bank does not want to be involved, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Kushner contacted Bourkoff, one of the media industry's top dealmakers, in the past few months, but there have been no further conversations, the source said on Monday. The source asked not to be identified because the discussions were private.
There was no reason given for LionTree's reluctance to participate in the process.
The Financial Times first reported the LionTree talks earlier on Monday, citing sources.(on.ft.com/2dIbnrX)
Trump, the Republican U.S. presidential nominee, told the Washington Post last month he had "no interest in a media company" and that reports he was considering setting up one were "a false rumor." He trails Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in opinion polls ahead of the Nov. 8 election.
Kushner, the owner of the weekly New York Observer newspaper, is married to Trump's daughter Ivanka.
Kushner did not respond to requests for comment. LionTree declined comment.
To set up a television network, Trump would have to negotiate with cable and satellite carriers, which can be an arduous task. It can then take years to turn a profit. Fox News Channel, the most-watched U.S. cable network, took five years to be profitable.
It might be easier and less expensive for Trump to launch an online streaming service.
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