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8/30/2016 7:17 am  #1


The Donald Weighs in

Trump calls Kaepernick's refusal to stand for national anthem 'terrible'

"I think it’s personally not a good thing," Trump told Seattle radio station KIRO when asked about the controversy. "I think it’s a terrible thing, and you know, maybe he should find a country that works better for him, let him try, it’s not gonna happen."

Kaepernick became the subject of national controversy over the weekend when he remained seated on the San Francisco bench during the playing of the "Star-Spangled Banner" prior to Friday night's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers.

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8/30/2016 7:36 am  #2


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I have no problem with Trump being critical of Kaepernick. I imagine many others are as well.
I do wish that he hadn't gone with the "If you don't like it then leave" thing.

Yea, that's emotionally satisfying to some, I am sure.
But are you going to say that to everyone with a beef about the country?
When Trump says that our military is a disaster, or that America doesn't win anymore, does anyone tell him, "If you have a problem with the US then leave"?
No, of course not.

If someone perceives a problem, or injustice in America, let's hear him out. We might ultimately disagree, think he's all wet, grant that he has a point but is going about expressing it in an offensive way,,,,, or even conclude that he's not a good guy.

But, let's listen.
A free society is one in which it is safe to be unpopular.
I read that somewhere.
 

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8/30/2016 8:50 am  #3


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Donald Trump: We need to make this country great again! Everything is horrible. Black people are walking down the street getting shot!

Colin Kaepernick: We need to make this country better. Everything is horrible. Black people are walking down the street getting shot!

Donald Trump: Leave the country, hippie!!!!!


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

8/30/2016 9:54 am  #4


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Some relevant History


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(CNN)
"I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag. I know that I am a black man in a white world."
That's not Colin Kaepernick, the San Francisco 49ers quarterback whose refusal to stand during the national anthem has invited criticism from all corners of the sports world.



That's Jackie Robinson, beloved baseball pioneer and civil rights activist, writing in his 1972 autobiography, "I Never Had It Made

."After Kaepernick was spotted sitting during the anthem preceding last Friday's NFL preseason game, the struggling quarterbacksaid he would not stand "to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."It's hard not to notice their words are almost perfectly aligned. But it shouldn't be a surprise when you consider some historical context, namely, that the anthem actually contains a reference to slavery and Kaepernick is far from the first athlete to question its scope. 

The national anthem's forgotten lyrics"The Star-Spangled Banner" was written by Francis Scott Key in 1814 about the American victory at the Battle of Fort McHenry. We only sing the first verse, but Key penned three more. This is the third verse:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,That the havoc of war and the battle's confusionA home and a Country should leave us no more?Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.No refuge could save the hireling and slaveFrom the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth waveO'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The mere mention of "slave" is not entirely remarkable; slavery was alive and well in the United States in 1814. Key himself owned slaves, was an anti-abolitionist and once called his African brethren "a distinct and inferior race of people."Some interpretations of these lyrics contend Key was in fact taking pleasure in the deaths of freed black slaves who had decided to fight with the British against the United States.In order to bolster their numbers, British forces offered slaves their freedom in British territories if they would join their cause during the war. These black recruits formed the Colonial Marines, and were looked down upon by people like Key who saw their actions as treasonous.

As an anthem, "The Star-Spangled Banner" has never been a unanimous fit. Since it was officially designated as the national anthem in 1931, Americans have debated the suitability of its militaristic lyrics and difficult tune. (Some have offered up "God Bless America" and "America the Beautiful" as alternatives.)

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The American ritual of the national anthem has always been a crucible for patriotism and protest. It presents a particularly fraught dynamic for sports stars, since sports events are often so closely tied with the rhetoric of American pride.

When a highly visible opinion comes up against a highly visible symbol, the result is always incendiary.Around the same time Jackie Robinson was using his achievements to advance civil rights causes, two American Olympic runners, Tommie Smith and John Carlos,raised their fists in a black power salute during a medal ceremony at the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City as the anthem was playing.The result was iconic. The reaction was ugly. Racial slurs were hurled at the pair and an article in Time called it a "public display of petulance."

Today, similar criticisms have been leveled against Kaepernick, a biracial Super Bowl quarterback who was raised by white adoptive parents and made $13 million in 2014. He was called "spoiled." He was called far worse in his Twitter mentions.It's a lot of ire for a gesture with a strong historical and rhetorical precedent.One doesn't even need to dip into iconic moments in history to follow the trend.Former Cleveland Cavaliers player Dion Waiters refused to be on the court for the anthemin 2014. And Denver Nuggets player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf courted criticism after he deliberately sat during the anthem in 1996

.In fact, Kaepernick didn't stand for the first two preseason games of this year prior to Friday's display. He wasn't in uniform, so no one noticed. Or if they did, they didn't care.

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8/30/2016 2:37 pm  #5


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That's the 21st century permutation of "America:  Love it or Leave it".

I personally thought, and still think, that that slogan is horribly shortsighted.   If it means "love the status quo and do not to do anything about it" that is the foundation wall of tyranny.  Half a century ago Senator Fullbright and others argued that what we really needed was a "higher patriotism".

Now the multimillion dollar question--and it is that, in terms of sponsorships and endorsments--is whether this QB is an embodiment of "higher patriotism".

Time will tell.


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8/31/2016 7:29 am  #6


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Good post.
Time will indeed show whether the QB is willing to make a long term commitment to improving this republic, or if it is just a flash in the pan.
I welcome all sincere voices.


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9/03/2016 12:02 pm  #7


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Now the Santa Clara Police are getting into it.
I wonder what sort of "action" they expect the 49ers to take.



Santa Clara police threaten to boycott 49ers games in wake of Kaepernick controversy

Authorities in Northern California have threatened to stop working San Francisco 49ers games in response to Colin Kaepernick sitting during the national anthem in protest of police brutality and racial injustice.

In a letter obtained by KNTV, the Santa Clara police union told the 49ers organization that officers wouldn’t work at the stadium if it doesn’t “take action” against Kaepernick over his protest. The station noted that about 70 Santa Clara police officers work eight home games per year.

"The board of directors of the Santa Clara Police Officer's Association has a duty to protect its members and work to make all of their workings environments free of harassing behavior,” the letter added.

Kaepernick’s decision to sit for the national anthem and to wear socks in practice depicting pigs as cops has drawn much scrutiny from the Santa Clara officers. Police said they are angered and frustrated with the 6-year veteran.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/09/03/santa-clara-police-threaten-to-boycott-49ers-games-in-wake-kaepernick-controversy.html


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9/03/2016 12:18 pm  #8


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Frankly, I am very tired and weary of the guy and wish he'd just go away and the media would shut up about him.

 

9/05/2016 8:33 am  #9


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It will run it's course and eventually die down.
Funny, the President is in China at a summit, and the press asked him about this thing,,,,,,,


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