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8/24/2016 1:22 pm  #1


Drumpf's 'proprietary and confidential' polls

I love stuff that you can just say, claim to have proof of, but choose not to prove nor verify to anybody that may be listening due to some unexplainable secrecy.

I guess those phantom 'undercover' Drumpf supporters out there understand what Conway is talking about . . .
Nobody else does though.


Trump campaign manager: Here’s why we think the polls are wrong

Donald Trump’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, argued that polls showing her candidate losing are missing the “undercover Trump voter” who is embarrassed to admit support for the Republican nominee.

“Our internal polling is proprietary and confidential so I won’t discuss it,” Conway said, according to an interview transcript published earlier this week by the British Channel 4 network. “Donald Trump performs consistently better in online polling where a human being is not talking to another human being about what he or she may do in elections,” she continued.

Hillary Clinton has led Trump in all of the recent major public polls of the national election. On Wednesday afternoon, the RealClearPolitics average of national polls gave the Democrat a 6-point edge over Trump.

Conway, a pollster by trade, asserted that the social pressure of a live phone conversation led some Trump supporters to hide their support. She said it’s “become socially desirable especially if you’re a college [educated] person in the USA to say that you’re against Donald Trump.”

“It’s a project we’re doing internally,” she said. “I call it the ‘undercover Trump voter,” but it’s real and I think that if you go around this country and you talk to people you see it’s real as well.”

On the other hand, phone surveys can sometimes underestimate Democratic-leaning groups, such as younger voters and racial minorities, who are less likely to have landlines and are more difficult to reach.

There are some professional pollsters who conduct online-only surveys, and they indeed find Trump doing a bit better, according to poll expert Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight. Silver noted on his site Tuesday that “traditional landline telephone polls have been Clinton-leaning as a group, although not uniformly.” His forecast model, which averages both online and traditional phone surveys based on historical accuracy and other factors, on Wednesday gave Clinton an 85 percent chance of prevailing in November.

It’s not uncommon for boosters of a presidential candidate to claim that the polls are systemically flawed when their candidate is down. In 2012, some Mitt Romney supporters infamously asserted that media organizations’ polls were inaccurately “skewed” in President Obama’s favor. But Obama actually outperformed his public poll numbers on Election Day.

 

8/24/2016 1:27 pm  #2


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"Donald Trump’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, argued that polls showing her candidate losing are missing the “undercover Trump voter” who is embarrassed to admit support for the Republican nominee."


That's a real ray of hope there. "We think that we have a chance, because there are a bunch of people who support us. It's just that our candidate is so awful that they are ashamed to admit it publicly" . 

Well, if I supported Trump, I would certainly be embarrassed to admit it. 

Last edited by Goose (8/24/2016 2:10 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

8/24/2016 2:39 pm  #3


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So Kellyanne Conway is the 'campaign manager du jour'?  I've been away for a couple of days.  I can't keep up with the 'musical chairs' game going on inside the Trump campaign with campaign managers.

 

8/24/2016 2:53 pm  #4


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She's admitting her candidate is too awful for supporters to admit they support him?  And she's still in charge? 

 

8/25/2016 2:01 pm  #5


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Kellyanne strikes again. In this interview, she attempts to clarify Drumpf's stated position about denying Muslims entry into the U.S.


https://youtu.be/p34ho9bwnoQ


"It was clear as mud, but it covered de groun' ".   West Indian saying.

But, after watching that, I'm beginning to better understand the term 'pivot' as it relates to the current political discussions. It must mean something like, if you are cornered by an interviewer asking you to explain words you actually said and later contradicted, you should attempt to change the subject of the interview, or at least try to steer the interview in a different direction by saying something negative about your opponent. Pivot . . . I'm calling the people at Merriam-Webster right now.

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8/25/2016 5:19 pm  #6


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Undercover Trump voters. . 

Somehow I am picturing people under white sheets with the eye holes cut out ! 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

8/26/2016 7:15 am  #7


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I remember seeing a talk-show segment with someone from the Brand-R campaign when Obama ran for the first time.

The polls were clear that Brand-R was going to get trounced.

The man from the campaign said to the host "You have your math, we have the math.

So, just deny reality and everything will be okay?
 


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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