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7/25/2016 7:23 pm  #41


Re: DNC Thread

Just Fred wrote:

I think a couple you have got it wrong.  First of all, Sanders started a movement, a political revolution if you want to label it as such.  His message resonated with many more people than was predicted when he began his campaign.

The DNC and others took notice even if the media didn't.  After losing the nomination he continues to have an impact.  For example, because of his and his supporters efforts, the number of 'super delegates' will be reduced from 600+ to something like 200, he wanted Debbie Wassman Schultz removed as chair of the DNC and she was, he opposes TPP and Clinton moved to his side of the issue, he wanted to have a say in the D-Tribe platform and they gave it to him, he wanted more open primaries and now there will be.

Sanders wants change from the bottom up, not from the top down.  Winning the presidency is only a piece of the big picture, but the real change will begin with influencing mayoral races, governorships, school board reps, local and state elected officials, and so on.

I'm asking you to look past this convention, DNC politics, and superficial fusses fanned with the flames provided by media outlets and think about what he stands for.  Political revolutions start at the bottom.  Sanders has made that clear.  It is now up to his supporters to join the political process and keep his message alive. 

Bernie doesn't need to be president to affect change and neither do you.  You can make a difference by getting involved.

 

That's ok Fred, I think you are wrong for the most part as well.  I do agree that Sanders message resonated with many more people than was predicted when he began his campaign, but that is all I agree with you on.

It is a bit of revisionist history to say the media ignored him while the DNC took notice.  The media was the one paying attention and giving Bernie attention, while the DNC was doing everything in its power to ignore and minimize him.  Hillary basically ignored him until he became an actual threat to her nomination.

What will be interesting to see over the next couple of months is whether or not the people that Bernie inspired who usually aren't interested stay in or whether they go away.  If you took the time to read the link I posted based on statistical analysis and historical precedence, Hillary is going to have a hard time keeping a good segment of Bernie's supporters.
 

 

7/25/2016 8:15 pm  #42


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Let's cease the Goose vs The Man feud. It is accomplishing NOTHING but to add needless back and forth to a topic that SHOULD be basically dedicated to the happenings of the DNC. 

Shame on BOTH of you. 

Rawlings took hits from both sides as the article below relates. She chose a bad word in describing the giving the protesters space and later took slams for calling the rioters "thugs". 

For sure the Baltimore riots were not her best moments in front of the media by any stretch of imagination. 


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/mayor-stephanie-rawlings-blake-under-fire-giving-space-destroy-baltimore-n349656


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

7/25/2016 8:18 pm  #43


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The feud is finished.

I've deleted about a dozen posts.

If it starts up again, this discussion will be locked.

Gentlemen, it's TOO HOT!


Life is an Orthros.
 

7/25/2016 8:20 pm  #44


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BS, I would rather discuss issues, but when someone talks about criminalizing speech, I am going to object.

BTW, why are posts that are not obscene being deleted?
I got canned for "censorship".
When I removed a post, It generated dozens of outraged threads in the general business area.
The sanctity of "free speech was invoked".
 Now it's OK to remove,"dozens of posts?  When I did it, it was wrong. Now it's OK???????
How does that work?
Please Tarnation, explain this to me. I'm not happy about this double standard.




Great speech just now by Anastasia Somoza.

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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7/25/2016 8:36 pm  #45


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For everyone' information:  At my most log-in I was greeted by an all time high number of Abuse Reports--EIGHT of them.

Some from the feuding parties, others from forum members disgusted by the filthy rabbit hole into which the discussion of the DNC was headed.

So please, let's stay focussed!


Life is an Orthros.
 

7/25/2016 8:37 pm  #46


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Tarnation wrote:

For everyone' information:  At my most log-in I was greeted by an all time high number of Abuse Reports--EIGHT of them.

Some from the feuding parties, others from forum members disgusted by the filthy rabbit hole into which the discussion of the DNC was headed.

So please, let's stay focussed!

What, exactly was "filthy"?
And, why are you empowered to keep threads "focused", but I as a moderater was not?

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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7/25/2016 8:44 pm  #47


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For heavens sake, stop it ! 
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

7/25/2016 8:45 pm  #48


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I cannot abide the double standard that you have imposed on this site.
Please Ban me.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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7/25/2016 8:48 pm  #49


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 The media was the one paying attention and giving Bernie attention  -  Brady

I don't think that is true.  If I recall right from the start Bernie was drawing thousands of people to his rallies, yet the media focused on Donald Trump who may have attracted hundreds.  This went on for a long time as Trump got 70% to 80% of the coverage.  I couldn't google political news without finding Trump and his Trumpisms plastered all over the web.

My post wasn't critical of anyone in particular or insinuating you are wrong.  I was only attempting to explain the Sanders movement and his call for political revolution. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about as I worked on his campaign and got the info from him and his surrogates.


Sanders wants change from the bottom up, not from the top down.  Winning the presidency is only a piece of the big picture, but the real change will begin with influencing mayoral races, governorships, school board reps, local and state elected officials, and so on.

This was part of Bernie's message from the start, but you believe on wrong on this?  What other parts of my post  do you think I am wrong about?
 

 

7/25/2016 9:11 pm  #50


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My comment in regards to media attention was just in regards to the Dem race.  While Hillary did receive more coverage than Bernie, once his campaign started gaining momentum late last fall, he did receive a good amount of media coverage.

You said he wants change from the bottom up, not the top down.  But as The Man pointed out, he is now saying to get change in the "rigged system" and remove corruption is to elect Hillary (who is the epitome of the system) so she can fix things.  That doesn't sound like bottom up change.  This is why I have a feeling many of Bernie's supporters who were holding out support for Hillary won't just now jump on board because he said so.

We are starting to deviate from the topic about the convention.

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