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7/23/2016 7:16 pm  #1


Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

A little snippet in time.


Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention: Reuters/Ipsos poll


Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has pulled nearly even with Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for the first time since May, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll taken over the course of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland this week.

The July 18-22 national online poll found that 41 percent of likely voters supported Clinton, while 38 percent supported Trump.

Given the poll's credibility interval of about 4 percentage points, Trump and Clinton should be considered to be about even in the race.

Just before Republicans opened the convention on Monday, Trump had trailed Clinton by nearly 10 percentage points in the poll.


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

7/23/2016 7:23 pm  #2


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

fivethirtyeight.com has good statistical analysis on the race based on historical data.

Back at the end of June, they gave Clinton an 80% chance of winning the presidency.  Since then, her odds have steadily decreased and now she is only a 57% favorite to win, and most of that reduction occurred before the convention (so it isn't all just a convention bounce).  There is no denying the race has tightened and was doing so even before the Republican convention

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7/23/2016 7:29 pm  #3


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

Brady Bunch wrote:

fivethrityeight.com has good statistical analysis on the race based on historical data.

Back at the end of June, they gave Clinton an 80% chance of winning the presidency.  Since then, her odds have steadily decreased and now she is only a 57% favorite to win, and most of that reduction occurred before the convention (so it isn't all just a convention bounce).  There is no denying the race has tightened and was doing so even before the Republican convention

Boy that is a big drop. Now we know why the attack dogs (media and newspapers) have been unleashed.
 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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7/23/2016 8:52 pm  #4


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

Common Sense wrote:

Brady Bunch wrote:

fivethrityeight.com has good statistical analysis on the race based on historical data.

Back at the end of June, they gave Clinton an 80% chance of winning the presidency.  Since then, her odds have steadily decreased and now she is only a 57% favorite to win, and most of that reduction occurred before the convention (so it isn't all just a convention bounce).  There is no denying the race has tightened and was doing so even before the Republican convention

Boy that is a big drop. Now we know why the attack dogs (media and newspapers) have been unleashed.
 

Perhaps the "media" is critical of Trump because it is warranted, based upon what he says and does?


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

7/23/2016 9:06 pm  #5


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

Goose wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

Brady Bunch wrote:

fivethrityeight.com has good statistical analysis on the race based on historical data.

Back at the end of June, they gave Clinton an 80% chance of winning the presidency.  Since then, her odds have steadily decreased and now she is only a 57% favorite to win, and most of that reduction occurred before the convention (so it isn't all just a convention bounce).  There is no denying the race has tightened and was doing so even before the Republican convention

Boy that is a big drop. Now we know why the attack dogs (media and newspapers) have been unleashed.
 

Perhaps the "media" is critical of Trump because it is warranted, based upon what he says and does?

For sure. His positions change daily. He is a loose cannon that would make a horrible POTUS. 

 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

7/24/2016 7:07 am  #6


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

I share Common's and maybe Brady's concern that an egocentric, narcissistic authoritarian could rise to power in a democratic nation.  But, we must remind ourselves that even in nations whose populace is rather educated, that such a person could get elected.

Sometimes sociopathic dictators rise to power via military coups, and sometimes they are elected as in the election of Adolf Hitler in the 1930's.  One thing they all have in common is creating an atmosphere of fear and anger and blaming 'others' for misery, uncertainty, and angst about the future.

Recent polls indicate it's working for Donald Trump, at least for now.  Our hope is we wake up before it's too late and not follow the path that the German people did 90 years ago.

 

7/24/2016 7:11 am  #7


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

Let's see what the polls look like in a week.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

7/24/2016 7:19 am  #8


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

Just Fred wrote:

I share Common's and maybe Brady's concern that an egocentric, narcissistic authoritarian could rise to power in a democratic nation.  But, we must remind ourselves that even in nations whose populace is rather educated, that such a person could get elected.

Sometimes sociopathic dictators rise to power via military coups, and sometimes they are elected as in the election of Adolf Hitler in the 1930's.  One thing they all have in common is creating an atmosphere of fear and anger and blaming 'others' for misery, uncertainty, and angst about the future.

Recent polls indicate it's working for Donald Trump, at least for now.  Our hope is we wake up before it's too late and not follow the path that the German people did 90 years ago.

What is really more scary than Trump himself, is the people that buy into his fear mongering. 


 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

7/24/2016 7:23 am  #9


Re: Trump pulls nearly even with Clinton after Republican convention

tennyson wrote:

Just Fred wrote:

I share Common's and maybe Brady's concern that an egocentric, narcissistic authoritarian could rise to power in a democratic nation.  But, we must remind ourselves that even in nations whose populace is rather educated, that such a person could get elected.

Sometimes sociopathic dictators rise to power via military coups, and sometimes they are elected as in the election of Adolf Hitler in the 1930's.  One thing they all have in common is creating an atmosphere of fear and anger and blaming 'others' for misery, uncertainty, and angst about the future.

Recent polls indicate it's working for Donald Trump, at least for now.  Our hope is we wake up before it's too late and not follow the path that the German people did 90 years ago.

What is really more scary than Trump himself, is the people that buy into his fear mongering. 


 

 
I agree. I knew that people like Trump existed.
What I didn't realize was how many poor souls would be attracted to his act.
Pluralism has a more tenuous hold than I knew.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

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