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7/15/2016 5:45 am  #1


Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S.

"Let me be as blunt and direct as I can be. Western civilization is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,


Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S. to see if they believe in Sharia

Washington (CNN)Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Thursday called for the U.S. to test every person with a Muslim background to see if they believe in Sharia law, and deport those who do.

"Let me be as blunt and direct as I can be. Western civilization is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported," Gingrich said in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity. "Sharia is incompatible with Western civilization. Modern Muslims who have given up Sharia, glad to have them as citizens. Perfectly happy to have them next door."

His remarks came in light of a terror attack in Nice, France, where a large truck plowed through a crowd, killing as many as 80 people.

"How do we ascertain -- how do you possibly ascertain whether or not that person really wants assimilation, really wants a new life, or whether or not they want to expand that caliphate, which is what we're at war against?" Hannity asked.

"The first step is you have to ask them the questions," Gingrich responded. "The second step is you have to monitor what they're doing on the Internet. The third step is, let me be very clear, you have to monitor the mosques. I mean, if you're not prepared to monitor the mosques, this whole thing is a joke. Where do you think the primary source of recruitment is? Where do you think the primary place of indoctrination is? You've got to look at the madrassas -- if you're a school which is teaching Sharia, you want to expel it from the country."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/newt-gingrich-hannity-interview/index.html




I think that we can add this to the Lexicon of really stupid ideas.
Look, I get it. We are all appalled, angry, frustrated, and apprehensive about these continued attacks.
I'm angry. 
So, tough sounding talk is emotionally satisfying.
I get it.
But, don't let your anger and fear drive you towards tough sounding talk that is just nonsense.
The truth is, Newt doesn't have a clue.


* First of all, if you interview people and they know that certain answers would get them deported, what would stop them from simply lying?

* Secondly, understand the problem.  If you don't understand the problem you have little hope of solving it. "Sharia" is not synonymous with terrorism. They are two seperate things.

Sharia is the religious legal system governing the members of the Islamic faith. It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith.  Sharia is a body of moral and religious law derived from religious prophecy, as opposed to human legislation.

Sharia deals with many topics, including crime, politics, marriage contracts, trade regulations, religious prescriptions, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting. 


Terrorism, on the other hand, is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

* Third, look around you. Do you see any groups in the US, or France for that matter lobbying for Sharia law to replace the law? It's just a scary sounding word, and Newt is using it to pander to fear.

I could go on. But, the point is, beware of people spouting tough sounding things that, while they may be emotionally satisfying, really don't address our problems.

Last edited by Goose (7/15/2016 5:56 am)


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7/15/2016 5:59 am  #2


Re: Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S.

Yeah, ol Newt wants to toss out the first, fourth, and fifth amendments of the constitution. 

Quite the constitutional conservative.

All that said, I don't know how many more of these attacks we can take. If there is one thing I can agree with Newt that we are at war with a shadowy group of disconnected Islamic radicals. The U.S. and western Europe seems to have been repeatedly punched in the face, be it in Orlando, San Bernardino, Paris, Brussles, and now Nice.

Do we just keep getting punched, and then follow up with some investigations and arrests (if the terrorist hasn't killed himself) or do we choose a different tact?



 


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7/15/2016 6:27 am  #3


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Im all ears. I'll be as tough as anyone. Just show me a logical plan.
I'm not one for emotionally satisfying nonsense and political opportunism like we get from the newtster.

We should keep in mind that state security agencies aren't exactly sitting on their hands doing nothing. We just don't see what they are doing.


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7/15/2016 6:51 am  #4


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Religious tests and criminalizing surfing the web obviously are dumb and pointless ideas.

And certainly western governments are working to prevent terror attacks. 

But I'm watching the news right now and they're just going through a list of maybe 8 terror incidents in the past year. Hundreds killed. More than a thousand injured. 

Do we accept this as the new normal?

Tragically, we've generally accepted mass civilian shootings in the United States as "normal". Are we going to do the same with terror in the Western world?


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

7/15/2016 6:56 am  #5


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I believe that it will be the new normal if we don't do anything to prevent it from becoming so.

Mass shootings are the new normal in the US, because we don't do anything about them except cynically offer thoughts and prayers after each one.

Mass terror attacks will be the new normal if we offer nothing more than tough sounding nonsense.

Last edited by Goose (7/15/2016 6:57 am)


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7/15/2016 7:06 am  #6


Re: Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S.

Collaboration and cooperation with primarily Islamic countries is essential in constructing ideas to stem the tide of organized attacks by ISIS, al Qaida, Boko Haram and others. But that will not deter the lone wolf, pissed off, disenfranchised, nut case with a computer, weapons, and access to explosives. Understanding that "bombing them back to the Stone Age" is not an answer and certainly not anywhere close to a solution is essential.

Last edited by Rongone (7/15/2016 7:07 am)

 

7/15/2016 8:12 am  #7


Re: Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S.

Good discussion going on here.  I'm at a loss right now thinking about ways to combat terrorism.  I mean how do you deal with someone willing to commit suicide or blow themselves up to carry out their plan?  They've already decided they will die.

 

7/15/2016 8:26 am  #8


Re: Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S.

Okay, apart from it being completely laughable that Newt Gingrich believes some test of some else's faith is necessary:

Suppose Newt's deranged ideology becomes reality.  Every Muslim has been 'tested' and/or deported.

What's next? 

Question people regarding their adherence to the commandments? 

Make sure everyone is the 'right' religion?

Once the people being blamed for all the world's ills are gone, where will the finger point?

And make no mistake, there will still be pointing fingers.


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7/15/2016 8:47 am  #9


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Rongone wrote:

Collaboration and cooperation with primarily Islamic countries is essential in constructing ideas to stem the tide of organized attacks by ISIS, al Qaida, Boko Haram and others. But that will not deter the lone wolf, pissed off, disenfranchised, nut case with a computer, weapons, and access to explosives. Understanding that "bombing them back to the Stone Age" is not an answer and certainly not anywhere close to a solution is essential.

I agree that a full blown war in the middle east isn't the answer. And I know that there is no way we're going to stop every incident.

But I have come to the side of those who think Western Civilization needs to project more strength than we currently are towards the various terror networks and the nations that house them. 

To be clear, there is no easy answer to this and I think to stem the tide of terror, it's going to take a full suite of solutions. Increased surveillance, curtailment of civil liberties, continued funding of not-so-friendly nations to fight terror internally, insertion of the military to some extent into foreign lands, and so on. 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

7/15/2016 9:24 am  #10


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It is a different kind of war.
But it is a war.
As Lager has noted, it's going to involve a spectrum of countermeasures, doing things we'd rather not do, and it's going to go on for a long time.


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