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6/27/2016 5:07 am  #1


Pope Francis Says Church Should Apologize to Gays

Pope Francis Says Church Should Apologize to Gays



Pope Francis said on Sunday that Christians and the Roman Catholic Church should seek forgiveness from gays for the way they had treated them.

Speaking to reporters aboard a plane taking him back to Rome from Armenia, the pope also said the church should ask forgiveness for the way it has treated women, for turning a blind eye to child labor and for “blessing so many weapons” in the past.

In an hourlong freewheeling conversation that has become a trademark of his international travels, Francis was asked by a reporter if he agreed with recent comments by a Roman Catholic cardinal from Germany that the church should apologize to gays and if an apology was made more urgent by the killing of 49 people at a gay club in Florida this month.

Francis, looking sad, recalled church teachings that homosexuals “should not be discriminated against.”

“They should be respected, accompanied pastorally,” he said.

Then he added that he thought the church should apologize not only to gay people it had offended, but also to the poor, to women who have been exploited, and to children who have been exploited by being forced to work. “It must apologize for having blessed so many weapons,” Francis added.

The church teaches that gay tendencies are not sinful but that gay acts are, and that gays should try to be chaste.

The pope repeated a slightly modified version of the now-famous “Who am I to judge?” comment he made about gays on the first foreign trip after his election in 2013.

“The questions is: If a person who has that condition, who has good will, and who looks for God, who are we to judge?” he said.

A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said that the pope’s reference to “that condition” referred not to a medical condition but to “a person in that situation.” In Italian, the word condition can also mean situation.

“We Christians have to apologize for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gays), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologize. Forgiveness — Lord, it is a word we forget so often,” he said.

Francis has been hailed by many gay people for being the most merciful pope toward them in recent history, and conservative Catholics have criticized him for making comments that they say are ambiguous about sexual morality.

He told reporters on the plane that “there are traditions in some countries, some cultures, that have a different mentality about this question (gays)” and that there were “some (gay) demonstrations that are too offensive for some.”

But he suggested that those were not grounds for discrimination or marginalization of gays.

The pope did not elaborate on what he meant by seeking forgiveness for the church “having blessed so many weapons,” but it appeared to be a reference to some Catholics who have actively backed wars in the past.

In other parts of the conversation, Francis said he hoped the European Union would be able to give itself another form after Britain’s vote to leave. “Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water,” he said. “Let’s try to jump-start things, to re-create.”


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

6/27/2016 6:50 am  #2


Re: Pope Francis Says Church Should Apologize to Gays

He is correct. 

It is the Christian thing to do. The Bible tells of two of the most important commandments. The first is to Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ' Love your neigbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these. 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/27/2016 3:55 pm  #3


Re: Pope Francis Says Church Should Apologize to Gays

Indeed, Francis understands the message of Christ.

The sins of my church are many.
But, perhaps there is hope. 


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6/27/2016 6:24 pm  #4


Re: Pope Francis Says Church Should Apologize to Gays

You know, I will choose to be an optimist. When you think of it, there isn't much use in being anything else.

“I believe in the forgiveness of sin and the redemption of ignorance.”


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