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6/25/2016 1:53 pm  #1


Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146307088451/why-gun-control-cant-be-solved-in-the-usa

On average, Democrats (that’s my team*) use guns for shooting the innocent. We call that crime.On average, Republicans use guns for sporting purposes and self-defense.If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist. At least I couldn’t find any that looked credible. But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated.

Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different. So it seems to me that gun control can’t be solved because Democrats are using guns to kill each other – and want it to stop – whereas Republicans are using guns to defend against Democrats. Psychologically, those are different risk profiles. And you can’t reconcile those interests, except on the margins. For example, both sides might agree that rocket launchers are a step too far. But Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”Let’s all take a deep breath and shake off the mental discomfort I just induced in half of my readers.

You can quibble with my unsupported assumptions about gun use, but keep in mind that my point is about psychology and about big group averages. If Republicans think they need guns to protect against Democrats, that’s their reality. And if Democrats believe guns make the world more dangerous for themselves, that is their reality.

And they can both be right. Your risk profile is different from mine.So let’s stop acting as if there is something like “common sense” gun control to be had if we all act reasonably. That’s not an option in this case because we all have different risk profiles when it comes to guns. My gun probably makes me safer, but perhaps yours makes you less safe. You can’t reconcile those interests.Our situation in the United States is that people with different risk profiles are voting for their self-interests as they see it. There is no compromise to be had in this situation unless you brainwash one side or the other to see their self-interest differently. And I don’t see anyone with persuasion skills trying to do that on either side.

Fear always beats reason. So as long as Democrats are mostly using guns to shoot innocent people (intentionally or accidentally) and Republicans are mostly using guns for sport or self-defense, no compromise can be had.If we had a real government – the kind that works – we would acknowledge that gun violence is not one big problem with one big solution. It is millions of people with different risk profiles voting their self-interest as they see it.So stop acting like one side is stupid. Both sides of the gun issue are scared, and both have legitimate reasons to be that way.

Neither side is “right.”—*I endorsed Clinton for president for my personal safety. I write about Trump’s powers of persuasion and it is not safe to live in California if people think you support Trump in any way. Also, I’m rich, so I don’t want anything to change in this country. The rest of you might have a different risk profile.

Last edited by Common Sense (6/25/2016 1:55 pm)


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6/25/2016 3:02 pm  #2


Re: Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

Confusopoly 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/25/2016 3:13 pm  #3


Re: Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

The problem in the U.S. Is that a small number of lunatics have brought the system to a point at which the public good is neglected in favor of a crazy ideology


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

6/25/2016 5:33 pm  #4


Re: Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

From the above article:

"Fear always beats reason"

That, my friends, is the NRA, gun manufacturers, and right wing gun nuts basic mantra.

Save the second amendment . . . Buy another assault rifle.

 

6/27/2016 6:59 am  #5


Re: Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

I had had lengthy conversations with full-on gun fanatics and when it was boiled down, the said the reason they want guns is to fight the government if they try to take their guns.

Perfectly sensible reasoning.


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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6/27/2016 9:27 am  #6


Re: Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

I've always been curious.

Why as the anti-gun crowd never tried to suppress ammunition?

I know it sounds pedantic but they could insist that the constitution says nothing about a right to ammunition and nothing about the arms they have a right to have to be functional.

Just curious.


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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6/27/2016 11:46 am  #7


Re: Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

Conspiracy Theory wrote:

I had had lengthy conversations with full-on gun fanatics and when it was boiled down, the said the reason they want guns is to fight the government if they try to take their guns.

Perfectly sensible reasoning.

 
You're right.

The very government that the majority of the people elected is something to be feared. They can't explain exactly how this mass confiscation of guns by the government is going to happen, but they claim they have to be vigilant and prepared to combat this inevitable infringement of their rights. They say the best way to prepare yourself for this assault on your constitutional rights is to buy more guns and ammo.

As you stated CT: "Perfectly sensible reasoning."

 

6/27/2016 6:25 pm  #8


Re: Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

Rongone wrote:

Conspiracy Theory wrote:

I had had lengthy conversations with full-on gun fanatics and when it was boiled down, the said the reason they want guns is to fight the government if they try to take their guns.

Perfectly sensible reasoning.

 
You're right.

The very government that the majority of the people elected is something to be feared. They can't explain exactly how this mass confiscation of guns by the government is going to happen, but they claim they have to be vigilant and prepared to combat this inevitable infringement of their rights. They say the best way to prepare yourself for this assault on your constitutional rights is to buy more guns and ammo.

As you stated CT: "Perfectly sensible reasoning."

I've always wondered why people think they can get in to a shooting war with the government and win.

Will you be doing this yourself or are there other people?

How much do you train?

Do you seriously think you could go up against a platoon of marines and win?

You'd never even get to start shooting.  That 50 caliber round being fired from 1000 yards away will shear off the top half of your body.

If the government ever decided to take away your guns, they will take away your guns....even if they have to pry it from what's left of your fingers.

Last edited by Conspiracy Theory (6/27/2016 6:26 pm)


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