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6/22/2016 8:57 am  #1


LGBT gun rights group sees membership go up after Orlando shooting

LGBT gun rights group sees membership go up after Orlando shooting

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/20/lgbt-gun-rights-group-sees-membership-skyrocket-after-orlando-shooting/86147114/

Dylan West says the Pink Pistols gun club in Atlanta has been a stagnant group since he joined a year ago. But that's all changed now.The gun club for LGBT people has roughly doubled in size to 230 members following this month's nightmarish shooting at an Orlando gay nightclub that left 49 dead and 53 injured."There’s always been a necessity for self-defense in the LGBT community,” said West, who grew up in Alabama surrounded by guns.

Pink Pistols has 35 active chapters across the U.S., and nationally, its Facebook membership has increased from 1,500 before the shooting to about 6,500 as of Monday afternoon, spokeswoman Gwendolyn Patton said. That hike has encouraged some and worried others.Patton said several of the chapters have become active since last week. The organization helps its members “select a firearm, acquire a permit, and receive proper training in its safe and legal use for self-defense," according to its website. Omar Mateen, the killer in the Orlando attacks, did not belong to the Pink Pistols.West, who is gay, said that while the Orlando nightclub shooting has thrown the issue into the national spotlight, attacks against the LGBT community “are nothing new.”

The FBI reported 999 hate crimes committed against LGBT people in the United States in 2014, the most recent available data.Because the LGBT community is often the target of violent attacks, it’s important for LGBT people to carry guns to protect themselves, said Dave Kopel, an attorney and gun rights advocate.“People have to be their own first responders,” he said. “Law enforcement tries to get there as fast as possible to intervene, but they can’t be there all the time and it’s good when people have the tools and abilities to stay alive until law enforcement shows up.”But others aren’t as sure that the uptick in gun interest among LGBT people is a good thing.

Timothy McCarthy — director of the Sexuality, Gender, and Human Rights Program at Harvard University’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy — called it both understandable and lamentable that some LGBT people are turning to guns.

It makes sense that LGBT people might feel scared after the shooting and want to arm themselves, McCarthy said, but he also said an urge to buy more guns “might be misplaced and problematic.”“Because I don’t believe that more guns is going to lead to less violence,” he said. “The more guns we have in circulation, the more guns we have in use, that sets us up for more violence.”
 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

6/22/2016 9:12 am  #2


Re: LGBT gun rights group sees membership go up after Orlando shooting

Timothy McCarthy is correct: the convoluted logic that claims more guns = less gun violence, makes about as much sense as saying greater availability of cheap heroin = less drug addiction.

Increased proliferation of one of the root causes of a problem tends to exacerbate that problem, rather than leading to a solution.

 

6/22/2016 9:24 am  #3


Re: LGBT gun rights group sees membership go up after Orlando shooting

Odd, isn't it?

I mean, gun sales went up and up and up when Obama was elected and yet people are still being mowed down everywhere.

Shouldn't the number of shootings be inversely proportional to the number of guns sold?


If you make yourself miserable trying to make others happy that means everyone is miserable.

-Me again

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6/22/2016 10:20 am  #4


Re: LGBT gun rights group sees membership go up after Orlando shooting

The intent of the fear mongering is NOT safety - it is to SELL GUNS. 
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/22/2016 12:47 pm  #5


Re: LGBT gun rights group sees membership go up after Orlando shooting

Fear works on the masses


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

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