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6/08/2016 10:02 am  #11


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

Everyone relax ........... In the end, Sanders will endorse and encourage his supporters to vote for Clinton.  He's going to take his message to the very end of the convention and continue to be a force on the national political stage when the general election is over.

Got this email today from the Bern:

All of you know that when we began this campaign a little over a year ago we were considered to be a fringe campaign. But over the last year, I think that has changed just a little bit.

As of [url=#]today[/url], we have won 22 state primaries and caucuses with over 11 million votes. What is most extraordinary to me is that in virtually every single state, we have won in big numbers the votes of young people.

Young people understand that they are the future of America, and they intend to help shape that future. I am enormously optimistic about the future of our country when so many young people have come on board and understand that our vision, a vision of social justice, economic justice, racial justice, and environmental justice, must be the future of America.

Our campaign from day one has understood some very basic points, and that is first, we will not allow right-wing Republicans to control our government. That is especially true with Donald Trump as the Republican candidate. The American people in my view will never support a candidate whose major theme is bigotry, who insults Mexicans, who insults Muslims and women and African-Americans. We will not allow Donald Trump to become president of the United States.

But we understand that our mission is more than just defeating Trump. It is transforming our country. The vast majority of the American people know that it is not acceptable that the top tenth of 1 percent owns as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent; we’re going to change that. When millions of Americans are working longer hours for lower wages, we will not allow 57 percent of all new income to go to the top 1 percent. We will end a corrupt campaign finance system.

Democracy is not about billionaires buying elections. We will end a broken criminal justice system. We will break up the major banks on Wall Street. We will join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all people as a right. We will bring about real immigration reform and a path toward citizenship. We will tell the billionaire class and corporate America that they will start paying their fair share of taxes.

What we understand, and what every one of us has always understood, is that real change never occurs from the top on down, always from the bottom on up.

That is the history of America, whether it is the creation of the trade union movement, the civil rights movement, the women’s movement, the gay movement. And that is what OUR movement is about.

But you all know it is more than Bernie Sanders. It is all of us together. That is what this movement is about: millions of people from coast to coast standing up and looking around them and knowing that we can do much, much better as a nation.

Whether Wall Street likes it, whether corporate America likes it, whether wealthy campaign contributors like it, whether the corporate media likes it, together we know what our job is. It is to bring the American people together to create a government that works for us, not the 1 percent.

[url=#]Next Tuesday[/url], we continue the fight. We are going to fight hard to win the primary in Washington, D.C. And then we take our fight for social, economic, racial, and environmental justice to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.I am pretty good at arithmetic, and I know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight, but we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate we can get. [url=#]Last night[/url] I had a very kind call from President Obama and I look forward to working with him to ensure that we move this country forward. And [url=#]last night[/url], I also had a very gracious call from Secretary Clinton and congratulated her on her victories.

Our fight is to transform our country and to understand that we are in this together. It is to understand that all of what we believe is what the majority of the American people believe. And it is to understand that the struggle continues.

If this campaign has proven anything, it has proven that millions of Americans who love this country are prepared to stand up and fight to make this country a much better place.

Thank you all. The struggle continues.
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders

Last edited by Just Fred (6/08/2016 10:13 am)

 

6/08/2016 10:08 am  #12


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

Clinton will hold him at arms length if he doesn't get with the team soon.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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6/08/2016 10:13 am  #13


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

Just an observation....

I'm a little surprised at a board who throughout its history has generally railed against the many downsides of a two party political system is suddenly slinging arrows at someone who isn't in lockstop with the two party political system.

At the end of the day, Bernie knows where his bread is buttered. And he'll certainly support Clinton, just as he supported Obama. 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

6/08/2016 10:26 am  #14


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

TheLagerLad wrote:

Just an observation....

I'm a little surprised at a board who throughout its history has generally railed against the many downsides of a two party political system is suddenly slinging arrows at someone who isn't in lockstop with the two party political system.

At the end of the day, Bernie knows where his bread is buttered. And he'll certainly support Clinton, just as he supported Obama. 

Here's my argument. Sanders has been fiercely independent his entire career. Then, about five minutes before running for President he becomes a democrat (because it was more advantageous for him than running as an independent), and then immediately starts complaining that the democratic party rules aren't set up completely to his liking. If you want to be a democrat, and you want to change the party, then put some time into the effort.

I also think that Sanders has way overplayed the unfairness/superdelegate thing. To hear him talk, you'd think that he had won the popular vote and was being denied something. He lost by 3.7 million votes.

Lastly, his attacks on Clinton have strayed away from policy to attacking her character. Maybe I'm a fan of adopting reagan's 11th commandment to the democratic party.  I don't expect him to be in lock step. I appreciate different views on the issues of our time. But, don't trash your fellow democrats personally.

Sanders reminds me a lot of Ron Paul. Both are highly principled people who in my view never really get anything done because they think that they are the only principled people. Politics is a team sport. 
 


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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6/08/2016 10:44 am  #15


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

TheLagerLad wrote:

Just an observation....

I'm a little surprised at a board who throughout its history has generally railed against the many downsides of a two party political system is suddenly slinging arrows at someone who isn't in lockstop with the two party political system.

At the end of the day, Bernie knows where his bread is buttered. And he'll certainly support Clinton, just as he supported Obama. 

I don't think ANYONE ever expected Bernie to be lock-step with ANY establishment group if you understood Bernie. That is part of his endearment to many, BUT IT IS time for him to admit that he lost and throw his weight behind the presumptive nominee. He keeps making remarks like he still has a chance ... HE DOES NOT. THAT is my main beef. Get on board or get out of the way ! 
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/08/2016 11:10 am  #16


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On the subject of superdelegates; I'm not as worked up about that as I once was.
In fact, at this moment I wish that the republicans had about a thousand super-delegates.
I am not a populist

Last edited by Goose (6/08/2016 11:11 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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6/08/2016 11:12 am  #17


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

You did read the email I got from him, right?  What part of it do you object to?  I'm scratching my head here.  The guy joins a tribe that most closely fits with his views and tries to get the tribe to listen and make changes that he and many of his supporters think are important.

I think this says alot:

Real change never occurs from the top on down, always from the bottom on up.

That is the history of America, whether it is the creation of the trade union movement, the civil rights movement, the women’s movement, the gay movement. And that is what OUR movement is about.


 

 

6/08/2016 11:17 am  #18


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I think that you should once again read the first post of the thread. 
It explains my point of view.

In regards to Bernie's email. He mentions the first woman to ever with the nomination of a major party exactly once. A person who shares his views on most issues.
Doesn't acknowledge that she has won the race. Doesn't talk about reaching out to her. It's all me, me, me.

Last edited by Goose (6/08/2016 11:23 am)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
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6/08/2016 11:45 am  #19


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

Goose wrote:

I think that you should once again read the first post of the thread. 
It explains my point of view.

In regards to Bernie's email. He mentions the first woman to ever with the nomination of a major party exactly once. A person who shares his views on most issues.
Doesn't acknowledge that she has won the race. Doesn't talk about reaching out to her. It's all me, me, me.

Agree. 

AND in Sanders letter which Fred quoted he says "and I know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight, but we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate we can get."

It's over Bernie, forget the fighting for delegates ! 
 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/08/2016 11:56 am  #20


Re: Sanders' Petulant End

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!

It's not about winning votes and delegates to win the nomination!  It's about winning votes and delegates to demonstrate to the D-Tribe that his message is important to the future of the tribe itself.

 

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