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6/03/2016 1:44 pm  #1


Perspective

Lin-Manuel Miranda, who is the guy who wrote the current hit Broadway play, "Hamilton" on his thoughts about the current presidential election.......

Read his whole Rolling Stone article here 


Q: You were writing this show in 2009, as the modern-day Tea Party movement was taking off. And now this current political season has been so bizarre.

A: Yeah... [chuckles]. You could probably find more-qualified people to talk about this. I've been so in the world of this show that I probably don't know half the ins and outs of current politics.

Q: Well, specifically, having the Founding Fathers look like America today strikes me as so radical. And it made me think of some of the Tea Party rhetoric, of how these conservatives were saying, "We need to take our country back." And to me, this show felt like it was saying, "No, you're not taking the country back, and in fact, we're part of the whole history of this country, even going back to the puffy shirts and the tricorn hats."

A: I guess the direct line I can pull on the most is between Hamilton's life story and the immigrant narrative in our country. The fact that immigrants have to work twice as hard just to get here, but that also, at some point, it's going to be thrown in your face as a negative. In Hamilton's case, it was Jefferson and Madison writing basically the same things you would hear about Obama during election cycles: "How do we really know where he's from?

But I think the bigger parallel is like, "'Twas ever thus." I think the notion of our Founders being these perfect men who got these stone tablets from the sky that became our Constitution and Bill of Rights is bullshit. They did a remarkable thing in sticking the landing from revolution to government. That's the hardest thing to do. You can go across the ocean to France, where they totally fucked it up and then got stuck in a cycle of revolution and tyranny. So that's not nothing. But that being said, there's compromise in our founding documents. There's compromise between North and South. There's compromise between manufacture and agriculture. The same fights we have over the role of our government now and the size of our government now are the fights they were having. Add the brutality of slavery to that mix as an undercurrent in all of those decisions. So I guess the biggest takeaway is, yes, this election cycle is bizarre. But it's no more bizarre than the election in 1800, wherein Jefferson accused Adams of being a hermaphrodite and Adams responded by [spreading rumors] that Jefferson died, so Adams would be the only viable candidate. He was counting on news to travel slow! That, weirdly, gives me hope.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

6/06/2016 8:21 pm  #2


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5 Nastiest U.S. Presidential Elections in Historyhttp://www.neatorama.com/2008/01/28/5-nastiest-us-presidential-elections-in-history/

"One of his most creative lines said that Adams was a "hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." Adams' Federalists carried things even further, asking voters, "Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames... female chastity violated... children writhing on the pike? GREAT GOD OF COMPASSION AND JUSTICE, SHIELD MY COUNTRY FROM DESTRUCTION."


"Douglas took aim at Lincoln, too, saying he was a "horrid-looking wretch, sooty and scoundrelly in aspect, a cross between the nutmeg dealer, the horse-swapper and the nightman." Another good one? "Lincoln is the leanest, lankest, most ungainly mass of legs and arms and hatchet face ever strung on a single frame."

"He and his handlers said Jackson had the personality of a dictator, was too uneducated to be president (they claimed he spelled Europe 'Urope'), and hurled all sorts of horrible insults at his wife, Rachel. Rachel had been in an abusive marriage with a man who finally divorced her, but divorce was still quite the scandal at the time. The Federalists called her a "dirty black wench", a "convicted adulteress" and said she was prone to "open and notorious lewdness".

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 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

6/06/2016 8:37 pm  #3


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So should the takeaway from all of this be that they ALL DO IT and it is NO BIG DEAL ??? 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

6/07/2016 4:38 am  #4


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An awful campaign is still an awful campaign, even with historic precedent.
The fact that others have behaved poorly is not an adequate excuse for Trump's bigotry, racism, and meanness.

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We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

6/09/2016 1:23 pm  #5


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Good post, Lager. I don't see this so much as an excuse for Trump or any other politician to behave the way they are...just because "those other guys" did it. Like Mr. Miranda, I find it comforting to know that human beings have always been human beings and always will be human beings. As much as I'm shocked by certain words and actions, they've most likely been said before and they'll probably be said again in one form or another. Mankind survived them once and will undoubtedly survive them again.

With the exception of global nuclear war and/or complete environmental destruction. The Founding Fathers didn't have to worry about those, and I don't think we could survive them.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

6/10/2016 11:37 am  #6


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opendoug wrote:

Good post, Lager. I don't see this so much as an excuse for Trump or any other politician to behave the way they are...just because "those other guys" did it. Like Mr. Miranda, I find it comforting to know that human beings have always been human beings and always will be human beings. As much as I'm shocked by certain words and actions, they've most likely been said before and they'll probably be said again in one form or another. Mankind survived them once and will undoubtedly survive them again.

Exactly Doug. We tend to live in the now. In the scope of American history, Trump is a blip. He seems larger than life right now, but should he lose (and I think he will) he'll be a very small part of our larger American political canvas. 

I've lived through 11 presidential elections. I've been able to vote in 6 of them. Until now, all of those major party candidates we're generally good guys. Dole, Kerry, Gore, Bush(s), Obama, Romney. Even Perot and Nader were good guys. 

For the first time, we get a kook TV reality show sham artist. Things like this happen in a democracy. We'll get through it. 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
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