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5/31/2016 7:06 pm  #11


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

OK . . . Here's how much Drumpf made from Trump 'University':

The New York Attorney General claims Trump made $5 million from the school.

Complainants say they were told Trump was doing this for his legacy.

Trump had a 93 percent ownership stake, according to court documents.


So . . . Who is taking advantage of who or what? This was a scam. Clinton was invited to speak and took advantage of those companies/organizations. Drumpf took advantage of gullible individuals with his carnival sideshow barker routine.

 

5/31/2016 7:17 pm  #12


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

Goose wrote:

I guess common don't like capitalism

No very wrong! I love it.  Sanders supporters don't like capitalism.
And that is why his supporters are pissed at Hillary.


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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5/31/2016 7:19 pm  #13


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

Rongone wrote:

OK . . . Here's how much Drumpf made from Trump 'University':

The New York Attorney General claims Trump made $5 million from the school.

Complainants say they were told Trump was doing this for his legacy.

Trump had a 93 percent ownership stake, according to court documents.


So . . . Who is taking advantage of who or what? This was a scam. Clinton was invited to speak and took advantage of those companies/organizations. Drumpf took advantage of gullible individuals with his carnival sideshow barker routine.

This will be decided in court. The trial is scheduled after the election.

Clinton took lots of money that Sanders supporters do not like.


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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5/31/2016 7:19 pm  #14


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

tennyson wrote:

Goose wrote:

tennyson wrote:

Just how many is "many" anyway ? 

 

Excellent point.
If someone had taken a poll over Memorial Day 2008 of Clinton supporters, how many of them would have said that they would not support Obama? And how many of them eventually did?
The thread smacks of wishful thinking.

 
Just an observation. I always get a kick out of articles that are trying to make a point and they rely on words like some, many, etc (take your pick). Usually it is because it is not based upon any type of polling or sampling that can add support to their claim. 

It may be true and most likely "some" Sanders supporter will not like her taking big money endorsements. But, I have NO IDEA just how many that might be !  I would imagine that even "some" Clinton supporters don't like the look of her taking the big money from the big players either. 

While this doesn't talk specifically about big money endorsements, this does speak to her issues with about half of Bernie's supporters:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-hidden-importance-of-the-bernie-sanders-voter/

I think this explains the recent talk about Bernie being the Dem VP choice

 

5/31/2016 7:20 pm  #15


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

tennyson wrote:

Just how many is "many" anyway ? 

 

Only the Shadow knows!  
 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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5/31/2016 7:21 pm  #16


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

many:

consisting of or amounting to a large but indefinite number

being one of a large but indefinite number
 


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
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5/31/2016 7:29 pm  #17


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

Many according to the Huffington Post

33 Percent of Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton

.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/33-percent-of-bernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html

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 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
     Thread Starter
 

5/31/2016 8:00 pm  #18


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

Common Sense wrote:

Many according to the Huffington Post

33 Percent of Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton

.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/33-percent-of-bernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html

What percent of Clinton voters said that they wouldn't vote for Obama on Memorial Day 2008?
Just wishful thinking on your part.
 
Don't get me wrong, I am fascinated to learn what you hope will happen,,,,,

Last edited by Goose (5/31/2016 8:17 pm)


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/31/2016 8:16 pm  #19


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

Common Sense wrote:

Rongone wrote:

OK . . . Here's how much Drumpf made from Trump 'University':

The New York Attorney General claims Trump made $5 million from the school.

Complainants say they were told Trump was doing this for his legacy.

Trump had a 93 percent ownership stake, according to court documents.


So . . . Who is taking advantage of who or what? This was a scam. Clinton was invited to speak and took advantage of those companies/organizations. Drumpf took advantage of gullible individuals with his carnival sideshow barker routine.

This will be decided in court. The trial is scheduled after the election.

Clinton took lots of money that Sanders supporters do not like.

 
Drumpf has the audacity to claim he is a man of principle.


Trump University’s secret 'playbook': Who wants to be a billionaire?

The instructions for Trump University instructors were simple: Entice prospective students by making them feel special. Let them know they were being offered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity: to get rich, and create  “more wealth than you have ever dreamed of” — by taking courses from “Donald Trump’s Real Estate Experts.”

“This is not something we offer to just anyone,” reads a confidential Trump University “playbook” for instructors at the now defunct school. “We don’t want to work with just anyone.

“You know who my boss is, right?” the proposed script continues. “Mr. Trump is on a mission to create the next wave of independently wealthy entrepreneurs in America. Is that you?” Whether Trump’s real mission was to help his students become wealthy real estate entrepreneurs  — or to line his own pockets through deceptive sales pitches that lured them into paying tens of thousands of dollars for courses of little if any value — is now at issue in three lawsuits facing the real estate tycoon as he stands on the verge of becoming the Republican Party candidate for president of the United States.

That litigation resurfaced as a campaign issue Tuesday as hundreds of pages of once-secret Trump University documents were unsealed under orders from a federal judge.

Trump, for his part, vowed again to fight the lawsuits and never settle, even if, he seemed to suggest, he is elected president. One of the lawsuits is slated to go to trial in federal court in San Diego on Nov. 28, three weeks after Election Day.“I could have settled that case,” he told reporters at a press conference. “But I don’t want to.” His reason: “I’m a man of principle.”

And Trump once again tore into U.S. Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who presides over the case, and who ordered the internal documents (filed by Trump’s lawyers under seal) to be released, after the Washington Post argued in a motion that their disclosure was in the public interest.


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Last Friday, during a campaign rally, Trump stunned many in the legal community by referring to Curiel as a “hater” and a “Mexican” because he had ruled against him in the case. (Curiel was born in East Chicago, Ind., in 1953, the son of parents from Mexico, and was a federal prosecutor specializing in prosecuting Mexican drug traffickers before being nominated for the bench by President Obama.) On Tuesday, Trump’s language about the judge was more temperate, but still pointed: “I have a judge who is very, very unfair,” he said Tuesday, complaining about one of Curiel’s recent rulings allowing the case to proceed.

The documents unsealed Tuesday shed new light on Trump University’s marketing strategy, which relied on playing up its founder’s reputation for unqualified success:

“Let me ask you,” [instructors were told to fill in the name of a student] “is everything Donald Trump does, the BEST? He wouldn’t put his name on this, if it weren’t, right?”

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The goal for the instructors was to persuade students who had signed up for introductory three-day seminars in hotel ballrooms, which cost about $1,495,  to increase their investments and purchase “Trump Gold Elite” packages that cost $34,995 and included yearlong  “mentoring” by Trump’s experts.

The instructors were told to be positive and encouraging at first. But if prospective students balked, the instructors were told to play hardball and tell them repeatedly that their financial plans were “broken.”

“You’ve had your entire adult life to accomplish your financial goals,” reads one of the proposed scripts instructors were to rehearse for recalcitrant students. “I’m looking at your [financial] profile and you’re not even close to where you need to be, much less where you want to be. It’s time to fix your broken plan [and] bring in Mr. Trump’s top instructors… Your plan is BROKEN.”

The scripts also show that, among the lessons that Trump University offered to reveal to the “Gold Elite” students during a “wealth preservation retreat” was how to use real estate investments to “structure yourself for lower taxes.”

“Learn how to reduce your overall tax bill through operation of your own small business, and save big money in the process,” reads a description of the “wealth preservation retreat.” “Identify different types of legal entities to protect your wealth… Transform previously non-deductible expenses into fully and legally deductible expenses for your business, significantly reducing your income taxes.”

The playbooks don’t say whether Trump — who has so far refused to release his own tax returns — has used any of these methods. But they do offer potential insight into another aspect of Trump’s worldview that has become increasingly visible on the campaign trail: a hostility to the news media .

Attendees at Trump University seminars were to be told not to speak to any reporters should they show up and ask questions; instead, they should be referred to an outside media consultant. “Reporters are rarely on your side and they are not sympathetic,” one of the playbooks reads. It also warns: “Reporters use hidden cameras, placing them at odd angles in order to show a candid response and the interviewee appears nervous and/or caught off guard.”

It was not only the news media that instructors were warned to watch out for. The playbook also offers a separate set of instructions  to use if a local prosecutor were to show up at the seminars. “If a district attorney arrives on the scene, contact the appropriate media spokesperson and Michael Sexton [the head of Trump University] immediately,” it reads. The playbook then adds: “By law, you do not have to show them any personal information unless they present a warrant; however, you are expected to be courteous.”

 

5/31/2016 8:17 pm  #20


Re: Here’s how much Hillary Clinton was paid for her 2013-2015 speeches

  Sanders supporters don't like capitalism.  - Common

You are wrong on this.  I am a Sanders supporter and have been for a long time.  Sanders believes in regulated capitalism with rules and regulations so we don't turn our democracy into some kind of plutocratic oligarchy.

I will vote for Clinton over Trump since I have a real aversion to authoritarian rule.  I think the media wants to make the Clinton vs Sanders flap more than what it really is.  Sanders and Clinton have alot more in common policy-wise than some would like you to believe.

 

 

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