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5/19/2016 5:56 am  #1


Is Fascism a Threat?

Very Tough words for the Donald from a prominent neocon.
I have to say, the essay is brilliant. Certainly something to ponder.


This is how fascism comes to America
Robert Kagan

Excerpts:
We’re supposed to believe that Trump’s support stems from economic stagnation or dislocation. Maybe some of it does. But what Trump offers his followers are not economic remedies — his proposals change daily. What he offers is an attitude, an aura of crude strength and machismo, a boasting disrespect for the niceties of the democratic culture that he claims, and his followers believe, has produced national weakness and incompetence. His incoherent and contradictory utterances have one thing in common: They provoke and play on feelings of resentment and disdain, intermingled with bits of fear, hatred and anger. His public discourse consists of attacking or ridiculing a wide range of “others” — Muslims, Hispanics, women, Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans, Arabs, immigrants, refugees — whom he depicts either as threats or as objects of derision. His program, such as it is, consists chiefly of promises to get tough with foreigners and people of nonwhite complexion. He will deport them, bar them, get them to knuckle under, make them pay up or make them shut up.

That this tough-guy, get-mad-and-get-even approach has gained him an increasingly large and enthusiastic following has probably surprised Trump as much as it has everyone else. Trump himself is simply and quite literally an egomaniac. But the phenomenon he has created and now leads has become something larger than him, and something far more dangerous.

Republican politicians marvel at how he has “tapped into” a hitherto unknown swath of the voting public. But what he has tapped into is what the founders most feared when they established the democratic republic: the popular passions unleashed, the “mobocracy.” Conservatives have been warning for decades about government suffocating liberty. But here is the other threat to liberty that Alexis de Tocqueville and the ancient philosophers warned about: that the people in a democracy, excited, angry and unconstrained, might run roughshod over even the institutions created to preserve their freedoms. As Alexander Hamilton watched the French Revolution unfold, he feared in America what he saw play out in France — that the unleashing of popular passions would lead not to greater democracy but to the arrival of a tyrant, riding to power on the shoulders of the people.



Full essay:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-how-fascism-comes-to-america/2016/05/17/c4e32c58-1c47-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/19/2016 6:36 am  #2


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Spot on essay.

 

5/19/2016 6:59 am  #3


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The author of the editorial is going to vote for Clinton.......... He is a part of the #Stop Trump Movement at any cost.  Don't have to say anything else.


"If Donald Trump, as seems more than likely, prevails in the GOP primary, then a number of neocons may defect to the Clinton campaign. Already Robert Kagan announced in the Washington Post on Thursday that he intends to back Hillary Clinton if Donald Trump receives the GOP nomination."


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

5/19/2016 7:15 am  #4


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Frankly, who Mr. Kagan intends to vote for is of less interest to me than is the content of his essay. His argument is strong.

I concur with his observation. Mr. Trump's rise to prominence is not due to his policy ideas. They are simplistic, vague, lack an ideological coherence, and are subject to change like the wind.
Where his proposals are specific and enduring, like the wall, they are completely impractical.

Trump's rise is due to his projecting a strong man personna, villifying the Other, and in casting politics and cooperation as "weak".

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5/19/2016 7:37 am  #5


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Donald Trump is following the Authoritarian Playbook.  It's obvious.  But, the part that baffles me is that so many people are swallowing it.

On second thought, human history is littered with nations that bought into that style of leadership and so maybe I shouldn't be surprised at all.

 

5/19/2016 8:14 am  #6


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The rise of pseudo politicians whose main objective is to garner power is made easier when the people, that will be subject to the resulting authoritarian figure and that figure's ruling class, have a feeling of helplessness. That feeling of helplessness is due to apathy on behalf of the people. That feeling of apathy is due to a ruling class that is deemed unresponsive to the needs of the people. When this feeling is pervasive, the political field is ripe for snake oil salesmen who concentrate on the emotional issues that cause the people to react to rise to prominence. No real solutions or viable plans need be detailed nor put forth by this megalomaniac. Pure emotion drives their campaign.

In this presidential election, the voting public has seen its choices reduced to two less than desirable candidates. It will truly be an election based on the lesser of two evils. Hopefully, but I'm very pessimistic on this point, the major parties in the U.S. will realize and understand this point. It is time to change our political direction towards a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" rather than a government that serves only the major political parties and the government they fashion. The divisiveness and vitriol that exists in the power struggle between the two major parties has ensnared the candidates, stifled the operation of our government, and now seeped down to the voters. I hope this changes. Otherwise, I fear that government that Lincoln spoke of in his Gettysburg Address will "perish from the earth".

We need change . . . But definitely not the non-descript, purely emotional change offered up by Trump.

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5/19/2016 9:43 am  #7


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A quote attributed to Huey Long, once governor of Louisiana and considered to be one of the most corrupt politicians in American history, said this when asked if fascism could come to America:

"Sure", he replied, "But, they won't call it that.  They will call it Americanism.  It will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Now, there is controversy swirling around about whether the person who actually said that was Huey Long, but it doesn't deter from the message.  If you have time, google 'Huey Long quotes' just for the heck of it.  He has some real gems and I think several could apply to the political landscape today, particularly thinking about Trump's leadership style.

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5/19/2016 11:43 am  #8


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The notion of facism per se does not really bother me with Trump BUT his economic and world view policies are disastrous and IF he is able to actually become POTUS we are in for rough sledding both economically as well as on the world stage (not to mention here at home with his grandiose notion that he is a "uniter"). 


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/19/2016 1:27 pm  #9


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Should trump be elected will all be grateful for the constitutional safeguards against Tierney by the majority


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