- Jeerleader
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I can't believe that a criminal who's chosen profession is the sale of illegal handguns would obey any safe storage directive.
Daddy wasn't, "Joe Citizen, living in Kansas City, like the guy in the news story,,,,, "
Daddy was exactly, "the kind of person who is going to keep a loaded gun under your pillow in a house with young children,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"
To frame this incident as a --"Joe Citizen" gun owner's incredible stupidity and irresponsibility killed another kid-- story and use it to attack gun ownership / gun rights / gun rights advocates is, shall we say, typical for the kind of person (or media outlet, in this case the NY Times) who's interest in such stories is disgustingly superficial and mentioned only for its value in pushing an agenda . . . An agenda that would never, ever, ever have any corrective impact on the actual situation.
If one really wants to have someone to blame for the girl's death how about the Kansas City police, the prosecutor's office and child services? Why was this guy free and if there is a legitimate reason-- why were the kids allowed to stay in a situation with such dangerous criminality known by authorities? NOW they find the motivation to bring him to justice?
"Court records show that police were aware Block was dealing stolen handguns before his daughter’s death, and one of them was a gun used a previous homicide.
Court documents state that in September 2015, investigators with the Kansas City Missouri Illegal Firearms Squad were searching for a firearm used in a homicide, which they believed had been sold to Block. Authorities located him, with his girlfriend and his two children at a hotel, where a search of his room revealed a loaded gun, additional ammunition, and a felony amount of drugs."
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Yea, nothing to see here. Forget what I said about stressing gun safety. This can't happen to you or your family.
It's just that Liberal NYT hassling "responsible" gun owners for no particular reason.
I apologize for being so disgustingly superficial as to care about children dying in gun accidents.
Sheesh, 
May 14
Three-year-old Texas boy dies after 'pulling gun from mother's purse and shooting himself in the head
'A three-year-old Texas boy grabbed a gun from a purse sitting on the shelf of his home before pointing it at his head and pulling the trigger, investigators say.
Sheriff's deputies in Harris County said the shooting happened around 12.30pm on Friday with the boy's mother and a sibling also in the home.
The Houston Chronicle reports the mother rushed from another part of the house after hearing a gunshot and found him with a gunshot wound to the jaw, officials said.
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May 12
Call raised for gun safety after another child dies
Guns are ubiquitous in Detroit’s 8th Precinct among criminals as well as citizens who fear them, with firearms meant for protection sometimes becoming instruments of tragedy.
The latest victim is 5-year-old Mariah Davis, who fatally shot herself in the throat just after midnight Wednesday after finding her grandmother’s Colt .38 revolver under a pillow.
May 12
Police: 10-year-old Hilliard boy dead after shooting
Hilliard Police said Colin Fraley, 10, died as a result of a gunshot. Medics said Thursday that he was shot in the head.
In a 911 call, the boy’s grandmother told the operator that her grandson had accidentally shot himself in the head.
April 21
Two-year-old fatally shoots himself with gun found in mother’s purse, police say
A 2-year-old Indiana boy fatally shot himself Wednesday evening after discovering a gun in his mother’s purse, authorities said.
The boy retrieved the gun when his mother “momentarily stepped away,” leaving her purse on the kitchen counter, the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department said in a news release.
March14
Police: Child accidentally shoots, kills self in Gwinnett County
Police say an 11-year-old child accidentally shot and killed himself in Gwinnett County Friday.
The 11-year-old and a 9-year-old were playing with the gun inside the garage when it went off, according to officers.
The mother was inside the home at the time. Police say they do not expect to file charges against the mother.
"This is a very sad and unfortunate reminder for gun owners to ensure that your guns are locked in a place that children cannot access," Gwinnett County police Cpl. Deon Washington said in a release.
March 9
4-YEAR-OLD FLORIDA BOY SHOOTS MOTHER IN THE BACK
April 27
Two-year-old child fatally shoots mother
April 30
Paulding County child killed after accidentally shooting himself
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Thread Starter- Jeerleader
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If one were really concerned about preventable accidental toddler deaths in the home one would be railing against bathtubs, pools and 5 gallon buckets in the home since drowning deaths outnumber firearm deaths 17 to 1 for youngsters aged <1 to 7 years old (CDC, 2014) . . .
That cause has much less appeal to social engineering activists though.
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Yeah.
It's always interesting to me how 'responsible gun owners' look for someone or something else to blame for indefensible tragedies like these. It's always some progressive agenda promulgated by the President, a group of congressmen, or anti-gun group with an agenda aimed at confiscation of guns and destroying the second amendment. These groups are aided in dissemination of this agenda by left wing 'Lame street media' outlets in their effort to quash the constitution. This is one of the first times I've read that the police are also to blame when some idiot with a gun in house acts in an irresponsible way that causes the death of someone else. Especially when that someone is a child.
Maybe, instead of diverting attention from the root cause of incidents such as these, we should be concentrating on ways to solve the problem. One way to do so would be to mandate gun manufacturers to immediately implement new safety features proposed by real 'responsible gun owners'. Also to move ahead with more stringent background checks, mandatory annual testing & licensing of firearms, require owners to carry insurance on every weapon, make firearms manufacturers cover their products with liability insurance. There are probably other steps that can be taken, but just to deflect responsibility and assign blame, while holding firearms as sacred implements of personal liberty, hiding behind an amendment that is open to interpretation, will solve NOTHING.
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Jeerleader wrote:
If one were really concerned about preventable accidental toddler deaths in the home one would be railing against bathtubs, pools and 5 gallon buckets in the home since drowning deaths outnumber firearm deaths 17 to 1 for youngsters aged <1 to 7 years old (CDC, 2014) . . .
That cause has much less appeal to social engineering activists though.
That's a pretty ham-fisted attemp to deflect the argument.
It's also silly. It's an argument that we shouldn't do anything about gun deaths until the day comes when not one child dies from anything else.
In truth, social engineering activists* , AKA people who care, have made great efforts, and there have been very successful programs aimed at improving children's health through everything from preventing accidental injury and deaths from drowning, auto accidents, fire, cycling accidents, abandoned refrigerators, SIDS, etc, to improving food safety, removing lead ,,etc etc.
But, let's pretend they haven't, and that activists only care about gun accidents.
That way we can make the laughable claim to the moral high ground (if one were really concerned), while not actually doing anything about gun accidents.
Great plan.
* (Don't you just love labels? I'm fascinated by code words and dog-whistles)
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And there are things that CAN be done to help prevent this but the gun lobby resists bringing these things to market.
In 2015 on average a toddler shoots someone with a gun (not necessarily killing) about one time a week according to statistics.
BTW, police ARE taking illegal guns off the street at a record pace (one ever 74 minutes in Chicago for example), BUT that is nothing in comparison with the influx of guns into our society.
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whether they should have guns or not, the common thread in all of these terrible cases is irresponsible parents...
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whether they should have guns or not, the common thread in all of these terrible cases is irresponsible parents...
You nailed it!
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Thread Starter- Just Fred
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I sometimes wonder if we, collectively as a society, are mature and intelligent enough to handle the sophisticated technology involved with the enhanced killing power of the weapons available to us in 2016.
I mean I'm sure there were just as many goofball and irresponsible citizens within the population in the 18th and 19th centuries, but how many toddlers would have blown away their brother or sister with a long rifle or a musket? My point is that perhaps the technological developments and 'improvements' of weaponry available to the citizenry has surpassed our collectively ability to handle them.