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5/09/2016 9:52 am  #1


Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

Brilliant ! 

Isn't that what Germany did ?  




http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/index.html



 

Last edited by tennyson (5/09/2016 9:53 am)


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5/09/2016 11:59 am  #2


Re: Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

Zimbabwe is the better example. 

But yeah, Trump's economic plan will be a boon for those companies that are trying to scare people into buying gold.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

5/09/2016 12:08 pm  #3


Re: Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

TheLagerLad wrote:

Zimbabwe is the better example. 

But yeah, Trump's economic plan will be a boon for those companies that are trying to scare people into buying gold.

I used Germany (not current history) because during the 1920s, the German Mark became so devalued that bank notes were used for wallpaper, fire fuel and children’s toys.


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5/09/2016 12:40 pm  #4


Re: Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

Haven't we been printing money when we need it for many, many years?
I don't think this is something that is new but in this political news cycle
Trump says it and bang.... headline news. 

Some old news on printing money!

Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan explains how the United States can pay down the debt. By printing money. Transcript:
 
David Gregory, moderator of "Meet The Press" on NBC: "Are U.S. treasury bonds still safe to invest in?"

Alan Greenspan, Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve: "Very much so. This is not an issue of credit rating, the United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So, there is zero probability of default."

Last edited by Common Sense (5/09/2016 12:41 pm)


 “We hold these truths to be self-evident,”  former vice president Biden said during a campaign event in Texas on Monday. "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”

 
 

5/09/2016 12:51 pm  #5


Re: Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

Common Sense wrote:

Haven't we been printing money when we need it for many, many years?
I don't think this is something that is new but in this political news cycle
Trump says it and bang.... headline news. 

Some old news on printing money!

Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan explains how the United States can pay down the debt. By printing money. Transcript:
 
David Gregory, moderator of "Meet The Press" on NBC: "Are U.S. treasury bonds still safe to invest in?"

Alan Greenspan, Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve: "Very much so. This is not an issue of credit rating, the United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So, there is zero probability of default."

Of course you could pay down as much of the debt as you want by printing money. 

And you can throw the entire global economy into turmoil and make it so the U.S. isn't the safest place for investors to park their money. 

 
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

5/09/2016 6:06 pm  #6


Re: Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

TheLagerLad wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

Haven't we been printing money when we need it for many, many years?
I don't think this is something that is new but in this political news cycle
Trump says it and bang.... headline news. 

Some old news on printing money!

Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan explains how the United States can pay down the debt. By printing money. Transcript:
 
David Gregory, moderator of "Meet The Press" on NBC: "Are U.S. treasury bonds still safe to invest in?"

Alan Greenspan, Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve: "Very much so. This is not an issue of credit rating, the United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So, there is zero probability of default."

Of course you could pay down as much of the debt as you want by printing money. 

And you can throw the entire global economy into turmoil and make it so the U.S. isn't the safest place for investors to park their money. 

 
 

Correct. 

And, Greenspan's statement was just as stupid as Trump's has been. Greenspan was trying to assuage the general public about the credit downgrade, but it does not make it as has been pointed out (history confirms it BTW) a correct idea (to just print money to pay off the debt). IF it was a good idea we would have done it years ago. To actually do this would give all US bondholders themselves a severe haircut and would cause hyperinflation. 

Rather than discussing this ridiculous proposition is how we can get to come closer to balancing the budget without decimating existing programs and services. 

THAT is the discussion that needs to be had. 



 


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5/10/2016 5:01 am  #7


Re: Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

tennyson wrote:

TheLagerLad wrote:

Common Sense wrote:

Haven't we been printing money when we need it for many, many years?
I don't think this is something that is new but in this political news cycle
Trump says it and bang.... headline news. 

Some old news on printing money!

Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan explains how the United States can pay down the debt. By printing money. Transcript:
 
David Gregory, moderator of "Meet The Press" on NBC: "Are U.S. treasury bonds still safe to invest in?"

Alan Greenspan, Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve: "Very much so. This is not an issue of credit rating, the United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So, there is zero probability of default."

Of course you could pay down as much of the debt as you want by printing money. 

And you can throw the entire global economy into turmoil and make it so the U.S. isn't the safest place for investors to park their money. 

 
 

Correct. 

And, Greenspan's statement was just as stupid as Trump's has been. Greenspan was trying to assuage the general public about the credit downgrade, but it does not make it as has been pointed out (history confirms it BTW) a correct idea (to just print money to pay off the debt). IF it was a good idea we would have done it years ago. To actually do this would give all US bondholders themselves a severe haircut and would cause hyperinflation. 

Rather than discussing this ridiculous proposition is how we can get to come closer to balancing the budget without decimating existing programs and services. 

THAT is the discussion that needs to be had. 




 

I agree. Sadly, today's political discussion seems to follow a script.
Whenever a problem, any problem, is discussed, you must do two things:
1. Find a group to blame the problem on.
2. Propose a "solution" that involves no pain, or difficult decisions of the people you are courting.


We live in a time in which decent and otherwise sensible people are surrendering too easily to the hectoring of morons or extremists. 
 

5/10/2016 7:37 am  #8


Re: Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

Some more on Mr Trump's disastrous remarks on possibly renegotiating our debt. 

Donald Trump tries to clean up economic comments

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-2016-campaign-clean-up/index.html

Trump, the wheeler-dealer knows a lot about defaults and re-doing negotiations BUT HE FORGOT that doing that with sovereign debt (Treasuries) will impact almost EVERYONE !  

From the article below 

If you think defaulting on Treasurys would only hurt the Chinese, think again

Who owns the most U.S. Treasury bonds? China? Japan? Saudi Arabia?

The answer is: None of the above.It’s us. We Americans own almost $5 trillion in Treasury bonds all told. That’s more than twice as much as China, Japan and all the oil exporting countries put together.

And so when Donald Trump monkeys with the U.S. government debt, as he has in two interviews in the past few days, this isn’t just a matter of abstract economics or of sticking it to foreigners.It’s about threatening to take your personal 401(k) out into the back yard and beat it, as they say, “like a rented mule.”


Opinion: Donald Trump just threatened your 401(k)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-just-threatened-your-401k-2016-05-10
 

Last edited by tennyson (5/10/2016 7:40 am)


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