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5/08/2016 7:01 pm  #1


I'm supposed to be Impressed?

Presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump on Sunday appeared to nudge his fiscal policies -- including those on taxes and the minimum wage -- closer to the center ahead of the general election, while downplaying a lack of party support for his candidacy.

Trump suggested on ABC’s “This Week” that his tax plan, which now includes a tax break for the country’s top wage-earners, would likely be different if he becomes president, considering it would likely need support from Democrats as well as Republicans on Capitol Hill.

"By the time it gets negotiated, it's going to be a different plan," the billionaire businessman said in a pre-taped interview that aired Sunday. "On my plan, (tax rates) are going down. But by the time it's negotiated, they'll go up."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/08/trump-blindsided-by-ryan-flip-flops-with-change-on-minimum-wage.html?intcmp=hpbt1


Wow, my tax plans have rates going down. But I will "negotiate" until they go up.
That's some brilliant negotiating, Donald.
I can't wait to see where "negotiating" with Putin leads us
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"My plan has Russia withdrawing from Ukraine. But, by the time it's negotiated  the Russians will get Poland back." 
 

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5/08/2016 7:20 pm  #2


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So much for his negotiation skills !  


"Do not confuse motion and progress, A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress"
 
 

5/08/2016 7:24 pm  #3


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I can't wait until Trump "negotiates" with Hezbollah.
"OK, would you settle for pushing half the Israelis into the sea?"


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5/09/2016 7:04 am  #4


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I watched Drumpf lay out his tax plan(s) and position(s) on boosting the minimum wage on several of the Sunday morning shows yesterday. It was clear that his current team of advisors have encouraged him to go on these shows, lay out his ideas and policies, all while acting 'more presidential'. The sad part is the Donald would explain his 'plan' and contradict that 'plan' within two sentences or when asked another question by the interviewer. This is when Drumpf's weak attempts at being more serious and 'presidential' would fall apart. He would start by questioning the intelligence or understanding capabilities of the interviewer, then attack whatever the source was of a differing point of view.

In the end, the only conclusion I could reach on Drumpf's fiscal policies and plans was that they are nothing more than a Granfalloon . . . Or that he really has no developed, well thought out policies . . . Or that he is just really bad at trying to explain these 'complex' plans. Either way, it makes it difficult for me to envision this side show barker, playground bully sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office at the White House.

 

5/09/2016 7:25 am  #5


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Trump is a weird cat. On the one side, you have him screaming at campaign rallies that Hillary is going to take everyone's guns, on the other, you have him on the Sunday shows sounding like a run of the mill politician pivoting towards the center by saying he's going to increase taxes on the wealthy and lower taxes for the middle class. In other words, he sounds like Hillary Clinton.

I guess in trying to be a tiny bit fair to Trump, he's making a point when he says that anything he puts forward now is going to run into the brick wall of Congress if by some stroke of national insanity he's actually elected president. 

I mean, if what a candidate says on the trail was bible truth, then President Obama would have closed Gitmo by now.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

5/09/2016 7:44 am  #6


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I have to note that Trump had a pretty rocky first week as the presumptive nominee.
I mean, he rose on the promise of restoring American greatness, by bringing back jobs, negotiating great trade deals, solving illegal immigration. It's time to pull together the dissenting voices within your party, and to introduce yourself to the general electorate as that agent of change that you are supposed to be.

Then Trump spends his first week on the national stage revisiting a 20 year old sex scandal, fighting with the speaker of the house, in a twitter war with the junior senator from Massachusetts, and tweeting insults about the morning shows.

It all seems so sordid and petty. I mean,  if you already hate Clinton, and base your vote on that one single thing, it may play. (Of course, he already has that vote.). But if you are just someone looking for a better life for yourself and your kids, you have to be depressed. Where's the beef?

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5/09/2016 8:29 am  #7


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Donald Trump's catastrophic ignorance

The general election has begun, and Donald Trump is clearly trying to pivot to the center. As my colleague Jeff Spross points out, he's backed away from his monstrously rich-tilted tax plan, suggested more government borrowing might be in order, and raised the possibility of increasing the minimum wage.

It's very clearly an attempt to win middle- and working-class votes for the general election. Looking past his outrageous bigotry, there's just one problem with this strategy: Trump's spectacular policy ignorance. It's going to be hard to capture the center when one has only the vaguest idea of what that even means.

As the various fact-checking crews never tire of pointing out, Trump is constantly making one outrageously false statement after another. Many of them are just simple lies about how rich he is, whether or not his steaks exist, how well he's doing in the polls, and so forth. But many other times it's Trump genuinely trying to opine about some issue, and falling flat on his face because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

There was the time that Marco Rubio landed a rare clean hit on him during the primary debates by demonstrating clearly that Trump has no plan whatsoever to replace ObamaCare, or on another occasion when it was stone obvious that he has no idea how the old Cuba embargo worked, or what the newly opened relationship entails.


More recently, Trump said several times that Puerto Rico (suffering a serious debt crisis) should simply declare bankruptcy. That's a good idea except that it's illegal, which is actually the subject of a proposal being fiercely debated in Congress. That's the entire problem in the first place. He's not just ignorant, he can't even be bothered to pay attention to the most basic content of what's happening in Washington.

More alarmingly, he also suggested on Thursday that should the U.S. ever run into any debt problems, he would just force creditors to accept a reduction in the value of their bonds (or "haircut"). This means at least partial sovereign default. As U.S. debt is the foundation of the global financial system, this would quite literally threaten economic Armageddon — and clearly comes from a misapplication of business logic to government policy, as Matt Yglesias notes. Trump made his money by borrowing a lot, investing in rapidly appreciating real estate, cashing out the equity, then declaring bankruptcy if there was a crash later, as economist Hyman Minksy detailed at the time.

That's a sensible if parasitic approach to business. But it's no way to run a nation. Government policy creates the underlying economic framework that allows businessmen to take risks like Trump did building up his fortune. U.S. government debt, as the world's safest economic asset, is a key part of that framework. Treating it like a corporate junk bond would make it massively more risky that previously thought, creating a financial shockwave that would reverberate through the entire world and cause a global economic panic.

More to the point, there's no reason to do such a thing. Businesses borrow because it's one way to get money. But governments can create infinite money out of thin air. With the world's reserve currency, the U.S. government is most concerned with workers, infrastructure, raw materials, and inflation, not using bonds to make a quick buck.

There's probably a limit to how much this sort of alarming bungling will hurt Trump. He seems to vaguely understand that people like higher wages and welfare programs like Social Security and Medicare, which will do him some good, and it must be admitted that a great many voters don't have the slightest clue about public policy.

Still, to the small extent that anyone trusts economic journalists and pundits anymore, this sort of thing will create a deluge of coverage portraying Trump as an incompetent maniac who's going to obliterate everyone's job. That's going to make running to the middle a tough sell.


http://theweek.com/articles/623043/donald-trumps-catastrophic-ignorance?ref=yfp

 

5/09/2016 8:51 am  #8


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That's an interesting article, Ron. I don't think we are going to see the more Presidential Trump on the campaign trail. The few times that he has talked about policy in any detail, Trump was quckly shown that he is out of his depth, and just doesn't know much.

I expect him to continue his little act, with the nickname's, the outrageous claims, and the taunting.
It will be ugly. And a waste.

One trick pony.

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5/09/2016 11:56 am  #9


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I think Trump (and Hillary to a large extent too) are on to something that maybe a lot of us who follow this stuff don't realize:

In the 24 hour news cycle world, no one remembers everything from day to day. Think about all the times Trump said something that was supposed to get him bounced from the race. It never happened. 

I think this is the reason that if Hillary is going to face any blow back from the e-mail server thing, she wants that to happen now.

But getting back to Trump, he really only needs to have four good performances between now and the election. He needs to make a memorable convention speech that both unifies his party and gets the fence sitters to lean his way.

And he needs to have three A++ debates against Clinton. 

Say what you want about Clinton, she's smart. Not only smart from a policy perspective, but also smart enough to not get caught in the childish back and forth that Trump was able to draw Jeb, Marco, and Cruz into during the primary debates.

Something else to keep in mind when talking about the debates as well. In the general election debates, we're not going to have the hooting, and booing, and clapping like you got at the Fox/MSNBC/CNN debates. They are a lot more serious than those. 

Trump feeds off that stuff and I think it helped him before. He won't get that this time.


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

5/10/2016 10:42 am  #10


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Looks like Trump has gone into Damage Control Mode.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-2016-campaign-clean-up/index.html

#Spincycle 





 


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