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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
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I am not saying Trump didn't have any part in this, his words and actions definitely played a role in this.
Don't you also see the protestors escalated this on purpose and were trying to provoke a reaction from Trump and his followers? Or doesn't that matter?
I have always practiced root cause analysis when searching for a solution to a problem. In this case, I see Drumpf's attitude, rhetoric, and actions as the root cause of the disturbances at his rallies. I believe the confrontations will get louder, larger, and more violent until he admits his wrongdoing and demonstrates a change in the way he operates.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
I am not saying Trump didn't have any part in this, his words and actions definitely played a role in this.
Don't you also see the protestors escalated this on purpose and were trying to provoke a reaction from Trump and his followers? Or doesn't that matter?
I have always practiced root cause analysis when searching for a solution to a problem. In this case, I see Drumpf's attitude, rhetoric, and actions as the root cause of the disturbances at his rallies. I believe the confrontations will get louder, larger, and more violent until he admits his wrongdoing and demonstrates a change in the way he operates.
Job 4:8
"As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it."
He hasn't 'done' anything wrong. He is campaigning for president. The responsibility is with the voters to show whether or not they disagree with him.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
I've been saying it all along, there is no such thing as bad publicity, and Donald Trump gets FREE publicity from the media in spades. If they wouldn't have publicized him so much from when he announced his candidacy, he would not have grown as popular as he has, but the media can't help themselves.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
I am not saying Trump didn't have any part in this, his words and actions definitely played a role in this.
Don't you also see the protestors escalated this on purpose and were trying to provoke a reaction from Trump and his followers? Or doesn't that matter?
I have always practiced root cause analysis when searching for a solution to a problem. In this case, I see Drumpf's attitude, rhetoric, and actions as the root cause of the disturbances at his rallies. I believe the confrontations will get louder, larger, and more violent until he admits his wrongdoing and demonstrates a change in the way he operates.
Job 4:8
"As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it."He hasn't 'done' anything wrong. He is campaigning for president. The responsibility is with the voters to show whether or not they disagree with him.
So, from your perspective, it's OK to for him to say things to attendees at his rallies like: I'd like to punch him in the face, or in the old days he'd be carried out on a stretcher, or throw the guy out, get him out of here. That's OK? He viciously attacks anybody that disagrees with him and encourages violent reaction against those that oppose him. His supporters hear that and assume he condones them putting those words into action. To me that is "doing something wrong". He needs to take responsibility for that. Heck, if a kid acted that way on the playground at school, he'd be reprimanded, his parents called in for consultation, and possibly be suspended from school. We should expect more from an adult. Especially one running for president of the U.S.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
I've been saying it all along, there is no such thing as bad publicity, and Donald Trump gets FREE publicity from the media in spades. If they wouldn't have publicized him so much from when he announced his candidacy, he would not have grown as popular as he has, but the media can't help themselves.
The way I look at it, the media ONLY provided him the stage. A stage without without attendees is nothing. The thing I have the most issue with (true of both sides) is that people don't even care about if what is being said truly makes sense or even if it is true at all. The undercurrent of the current political system and process is a mess and the current primaries rather than helping seem to underscore and exacerbate the situation.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
I have always practiced root cause analysis when searching for a solution to a problem. In this case, I see Drumpf's attitude, rhetoric, and actions as the root cause of the disturbances at his rallies. I believe the confrontations will get louder, larger, and more violent until he admits his wrongdoing and demonstrates a change in the way he operates.
Job 4:8
"As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it."He hasn't 'done' anything wrong. He is campaigning for president. The responsibility is with the voters to show whether or not they disagree with him.
So, from your perspective, it's OK to for him to say things to attendees at his rallies like: I'd like to punch him in the face, or in the old days he'd be carried out on a stretcher, or throw the guy out, get him out of here. That's OK? He viciously attacks anybody that disagrees with him and encourages violent reaction against those that oppose him. His supporters hear that and assume he condones them putting those words into action. To me that is "doing something wrong". He needs to take responsibility for that. Heck, if a kid acted that way on the playground at school, he'd be reprimanded, his parents called in for consultation, and possibly be suspended from school. We should expect more from an adult. Especially one running for president of the U.S.
In my opinion, it is ok for anyone to say anything that they wish, we do have freedom of speech. The voters are the ones who need to tell him that what he said is not ok, by not voting for him. The media just feeds him and makes him more popular.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
I am not saying Trump didn't have any part in this, his words and actions definitely played a role in this.
Don't you also see the protestors escalated this on purpose and were trying to provoke a reaction from Trump and his followers? Or doesn't that matter?
I have always practiced root cause analysis when searching for a solution to a problem. In this case, I see Drumpf's attitude, rhetoric, and actions as the root cause of the disturbances at his rallies. I believe the confrontations will get louder, larger, and more violent until he admits his wrongdoing and demonstrates a change in the way he operates.
Job 4:8
"As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it."
Trump can tone down his rhetoric. The protestors can tone down their response and not try to further escalate things.
I have always practiced identifying all things that lead to a problem and feel they should all be addressed and fixed, not just part of it.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
The WHOLE tone of the R-tribe Primaries has been combative (at least till the last debate). The stage was set long ago for battle. Some (the Don in particular) has laid groundwork with his rhetoric for predictable opposite blowback.
Are either good ? No.
Was it rather predictable that this could and likely would happen and likely will continue - certainly.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
He hasn't 'done' anything wrong. He is campaigning for president. The responsibility is with the voters to show whether or not they disagree with him.
So, from your perspective, it's OK to for him to say things to attendees at his rallies like: I'd like to punch him in the face, or in the old days he'd be carried out on a stretcher, or throw the guy out, get him out of here. That's OK? He viciously attacks anybody that disagrees with him and encourages violent reaction against those that oppose him. His supporters hear that and assume he condones them putting those words into action. To me that is "doing something wrong". He needs to take responsibility for that. Heck, if a kid acted that way on the playground at school, he'd be reprimanded, his parents called in for consultation, and possibly be suspended from school. We should expect more from an adult. Especially one running for president of the U.S.In my opinion, it is ok for anyone to say anything that they wish, we do have freedom of speech. The voters are the ones who need to tell him that what he said is not ok, by not voting for him. The media just feeds him and makes him more popular.
As one of my old Political Science professors, Dr. Reeder, used to say when explaining free speech as defined in the Constitution: "Think of free speech as two people of opposing views discussing a subject while gesturing with their hands and arms. Neither one impinges the other's free speech until one of their gestures clips the other person's jaw."
Inciting violence or a riot is not protected by free speech.
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Re: Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
The WHOLE tone of the R-tribe Primaries has been combative (at least till the last debate). The stage was set long ago for battle. Some (the Don in particular) has laid groundwork with his rhetoric for predictable opposite blowback.
Are either good ? No.
Was it rather predictable that this could and likely would happen and likely will continue - certainly.
I don't necessarily see the problem with that though. Things will play out. Any way you slice it, we're going to get a terrible president taking office in 2017.