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I think that is the big question, will Sanders voters go for Hillary in the general election? - Brady
As a progressive and Sanders supporter myself, I would say, "What other choice would I have?" Certainly not Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.
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Fred,
I definitely don't see you supporting Trump. You agree with Bernie on not only what the issues are, you also agree with him on how they should be fixed. I don't see hardly any of Bernie's supporters who agree with him on the solutions going to Trump.
I do see the people that he has energized on the Dem side who don't necessarily agree with his solutions but definitely support him on what he thinks the problems are possibly going for Trump.
Anecdotally, I have heard enough people say their two top choices are Sanders and Trump to realize they have cross-over appeal.
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Looks like there is some new info and clarification on this topic:
The DC establishment’s latest attack on Bernie Sanders’ tax plan has just been thoroughly debunked.
On Friday afternoon, the Tax Policy Center (TPC) — a project of centrist think tank Brookings Institution — published a thoroughly-flawed analysis of Bernie Sanders’ tax plan. The TPC claimed that by raising $15.3 trillion in new revenue over ten years to fund Sanders’ proposals for free public college, universal health care, paid family and medical leave, and millions of new infrastructure jobs, the overall income of the average American would drop by approximately 12 percent.
However, the analysis was fundamentally disingenuous, as it analyzes the tax increases in a vacuum and does not account for the tremendous amount of savings that would be realized by families using public health insurance and colleges. It also does not account for the overall economic benefit of 13 million new public sector jobs and the resulting flow of new money into the economy.
“We do not account for the effects of the new government programs on income,” TPC co-founder Leonard Burman told Politico, in a revealing quote buried thirteen paragraphs below Politico‘s misleading headline. “We’re not really experts on the spending component.”
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It is correct to say the $15.3 trillion didn't take into account how much households might save by receiving free college and "medicare-for-all".
What can be said is that taxes will increase for everyone, while only some might benefit from this plan. If you have no kids, or kids who already went to college or have an employer who pays for the majority of your healthcare, you would come out on the wrong end of this tax plan.
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I have not talked to anyone that supports Bernie Sanders that has said, if their choice comes down to Drumpf or Clinton, that they would cast their vote for Drumpf.
And this PBS study seems to concur:
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And these reports seem to concur with what I said:
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What can be said is that taxes will increase for everyone, while only some might benefit from this plan. If you have no kids, or kids who already went to college or have an employer who pays for the majority of your healthcare, you would come out on the wrong end of this tax plan. - Brady
This is true, but I look at the bigger picture. For example, some might say, "Well, I have no children so why should I have to pay school taxes." I think that is myopic and selfish. To me, the bigger picture is we all benefit from a well educated society. Education is an investment in our nation's future.
We would all benefit from a government that lists national defense, education, and healthcare as national priorities. Post-secondary education today is as important as K-12 pubic education was 100+ years ago. There was a time when a high school diploma opened many doors, but now that's not good enough, and I'm not just talking about college. Trade and technical schools train citizens for life in the 21st century America, too. We need nurses, plumbers, electricians, large equipment operators, cabinet makers, dental technicians, mechanics, etc. and schools that prepare young people for those positions are equally important.
As far as healthcare is concerned, I have been and always will be an opponent of employer-based, for-profit health insurance.
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Brady Bunch wrote:
And these reports seem to concur with what I said:
Just found this article. Something is going on this election cycle.
Mahoning Co. sees 1K Dems defect to GOP
YOUNGSTOWNAbout 1,000 Democrats in Mahoning County so far have switched their party affiliation to Republican with election officials saying several did it to vote for Donald Trump, the GOP presidential front-runner.“We are seeing something this election cycle I’ve never seen before to this degree,” said board Chairman Mark Munroe, who’s also the county Republican chairman. “Every day I take phone calls or get voice messages from people saying they’ve been Democrats all their life and they’ve had it. They want to vote for Donald Trump.
I’m surprised at the volume of inquiries we’re getting. It’s remarkable.”A number of Democrats taking a Republican ballot when voting early at the board “say they want to vote for Trump,” said Joyce Kale-Pesta, Mahoning County Board of Elections director.About 7,000 Mahoning County voters have cast early votes. Early voting started Feb. 17 and ends March 14, the day before the primary.Of those 7,000, about 14 percent were Democrats who voted Republican, Kale-Pesta said. That’s about 1,000 so far.
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I agree Common, this election cycle is not like previous ones. Both Trump and Sanders are changing the dynamic and they are both drawing plenty of "anti-establishment" voters. These are people who are not party loyalists and will not be a guaranteed vote for the party if their candidate doesn't win the nomination.
I have also heard some Trump supporters say that if he doesn't get the nomination but Sanders does on the Dem side, they will support Bernie.