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3/04/2016 8:12 am  #1


Fact-Checking the March 3 GOP Debate

I'm now in the habit of fact-checking these debates and townhalls.  Simply googling 'fact check' will give you many options.  I simply picked this one at random:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/billion-706749-trump-deficit.html


 

 

3/04/2016 10:33 am  #2


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The moderators did a good job of asking tough questions and not letting candidates "off the hook" when they came back with inaccurate information.

I think Kasich made a good point last night when he basically said the problem with Washington is the election of all the "outsiders" who go there promising change.  When they get there, they are unwilling to compromise and work across the aisle, so nothing gets accomplished.  Then this leads to a new set of "outsiders", who are even more outraged than the previous group and more reluctant to work across the aisle and solve any problems.

This is why nothing gets done in Washington, all the people with no governing experience and extreme views (on both sides) who get elected and promise "party purity", which leads to nothing getting accomplished.

We don't need Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, we need someone who can work with others and get things done.  If any of these people are elected President, not much of anything will get done

 

3/04/2016 10:37 am  #3


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Brady Bunch wrote:

The moderators did a good job of asking tough questions and not letting candidates "off the hook" when they came back with inaccurate information.

I think Kasich made a good point last night when he basically said the problem with Washington is the election of all the "outsiders" who go there promising change.  When they get there, they are unwilling to compromise and work across the aisle, so nothing gets accomplished.  Then this leads to a new set of "outsiders", who are even more outraged than the previous group and more reluctant to work across the aisle and solve any problems.

This is why nothing gets done in Washington, all the people with no governing experience and extreme views (on both sides) who get elected and promise "party purity", which leads to nothing getting accomplished.

We don't need Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, we need someone who can work with others and get things done.  If any of these people are elected President, not much of anything will get done

I really like Kasich.  That is someone who I would vote FOR, rather than simply picking the lesser of two evils.  I don't understand how/why Kasich isn't the guy for the republicans?

 

3/04/2016 10:40 am  #4


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I really think it is because of the cycle I described above.  More and more of the electorate is "fed-up" with Washington, so they believe the solution is to elect someone who isn't part of the process or really sounds like an "outsider".

We have gotten to a point, that with multiple people still in the Republican primary, Trump is getting most of the "outsider" votes and the rest are splitting the remaining voters.

 

3/04/2016 10:55 am  #5


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Kasich was the adult last night. I think the republican brand took many hits during the evening.
And then throw in Romney's speech yesterday. And the establishment republicans on a war path.

The strangest thing that the end of the debate each candidate was asked if they would support the republican nominee? Each one answered YES! Think about what was said and after that they would support that candidate.

 


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3/04/2016 11:08 am  #6


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I think they felt compelled to say they would support him, based on what was said at the beginning of the campaign.  I would bet they would say they support him, but that is about all they would do.

That doesn't mean they won't do everything they can, including try to change the nominating process before and at the convention, to get someone else.  If he is the nominee, I would be surprised to see Rubio and Cruz on the campaign trail stumping for Donald.

 

3/04/2016 2:44 pm  #7


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I really like Kasich.  That is someone who I would vote FOR, rather than simply picking the lesser of two evils.  I don't understand how/why Kasich isn't the guy for the republicans?

After watching Kasich last night, I am half-tempted to drop that guy a check. I really think he is the best option available to us considering what is left of the candidates. He won't get the nomination because for reasons I don't understand, conservatives hate the guy, but I really hope he gets a second and third look by voters in the upcoming weeks.

A couple of other thoughts about last night's debate:

Trump's worst debate by far. I'm sure it didn't hurt him with the electorate, but he looked childish even by his previous low bar standards. 

Shame on Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich for saying they would support Trump if he was the nominee. We need to move beyond party over principle. 

Finally one more thing not debate related, but something I'll drop right here and we can come back to it at a later date if it turns out to be true.

I have it on good authority that the Trump off the record New York Times tapes about his immigration "flexibility" as reported by Buzzfeed are true. This game from a friend who I would consider unimpeachable and was told to me three days before the Buzzfeed story came out and was almost word for word.

But that's not the big story. The other, in my opinion, bigger part of the story is that Trump claims he has video of Hillary speaking to a room full of Wall Street contributors in which she is very, very critical of President Obama (My friend described it as Hillary "sh!tting" all over Obama). Trump says it will derail her campaign the way the Romney 47% video did in 2012.

Take all that for what it's worth. 
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

3/04/2016 2:58 pm  #8


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I would not be shocked if the story about Trump's "flexibility" on immigration is true.  He is full of bluster and more than likely knows that most of the stuff he is saying to get elected can't/won't be done.

Both Trump and Hillary have entered what sportswriter Bill Simmons have entered the "Tyson Zone".  This is referring to when Mike Tyson was crazy and doing really strange things, it is the point at which a celebrity's behavior becomes so insane, that there is literally nothing they could that would any longer shock or surprise you.

Hillary and Obama had a very contentious 08 campaign.  I could definitely see her talking to a bunch of Wall St. backers and bashing Obama and letting them know her campaign rhetoric on Wall St. reforms is flexible also

 

3/04/2016 3:01 pm  #9


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You know I was giving a look to Kasich because I felt his demeanor was head and shoulders above the other children in the room. But then I was engaged in a discussion with my niece, her husband and a group of their friends. They all live around Kent State University . . . My niece is a math professor at the school, the others have no professional relationship with the school. I mention that because many educators in Ohio are very dissatisfied with Kasich's performance as governor. But, by and large, nobody in the group said they would support Kasich in a presidential election. They pointed to his absentee governor involvement, union busting, taking credit for an employment and economic uptick that was really a result of actions taken by the previous administration. They raised other concerns dealing solely with Ohio politics and economy with which I was unfamiliar. So the general view of Kasich among this group of Ohio residents was far from positive and definitely non-supportive of his presidential run. It will be interesting to see what all the voters in the Ohio primary have to say about Kasich.

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3/04/2016 3:09 pm  #10


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Rongone wrote:

You know I was giving a look to Kasich because I felt his demeanor was head and shoulders above the other children in the room. But then I was engaged in a discussion with my niece, her husband and a group of their friends. They all live around Kent State University . . . My niece is a math professor at the school, the others have no professional relationship with the school. I mention that because many educators in Ohio are very dissatisfied with Kasich's performance as governor. But, by and large, nobody in the group said they would support Kasich in a presidential election. They pointed to his absentee governor involvement, union busting, taking credit for an employment and economic uptick that was really a result of actions taken by the previous administration. They raised other concerns dealing solely with Ohio politics and economy with which I was unfamiliar. So the general view of Kasich among this group of Ohio residents was far from positive and definitely non-supportive of his presidential run. It will be interesting to see what all the voters in the Ohio primary have to say about Kasich.

Kasich is far from a perfect candidate. And frankly, there are no perfect candidates. His position on social issues are contrary to mine. But if I look at his total body of work, he, along with Hillary, are the closest to the center. But I like Kasich's resume 
 


I think you're going to see a lot of different United States of America over the next three, four, or eight years. - President Donald J. Trump
 

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