The Man wrote:

Rongone wrote:

The Man wrote:

 
That I disagree with.  You don't become a billionaire, go bankrupt, and then become a billionaire again by not getting things done.

If you mean politically, well he's never been in a political office.

 

You can become a billionaire by selling your name to other people to put on projects that they've developed. As I stated before, that's good 'work' if you can get it.

I guess it depends upon whether you consider prostitution an honorable vocation.

 
I get that you don't like the guy, that's fine, I don't like him either.  I only like him more than Hillary Clinton.  But, you can't honestly deny that the guy knows how to get things done in what he does.  Mind you I'm not saying that would translate at all into the world of federal politics.

 
I don't buy into the notion that he 'knows how to get things done'. He markets his name to others that feel the name "trump" brings a certain aura of class to their project. He has failures and successes like anybody in business, but the guy is mostly hot air, bluster, impressed with himself, an egomaniac eager to impress with half truths about himself. To me, that doesn't translate into real success, but more of a facade created to feed his own ego. I know several entrepreneurs who have done well for themselves and none of them, absolutely none of them run around tooting their own horn to impress others the way Drumpf does. I find his approach boastful, petulant, inconsiderate, ignoble, presumptuous, unflattering, and downright disgraceful. Humility is a concept that is unknown to Drumpf, and God knows he could use a little of it.

Rongone wrote:

Goose wrote:

The Man wrote:

 
Ah, I've never visited nor stayed in any Trump property. But, how would one know, just by looking at a person, that they are here illegally?

It's actually documented that he hired undocumented workers.
Why the act?

 
I knew two people that worked there. One was the CFO, and the other was Director of Client Services.

 
But you said that if I've ever visited the Trump Plaza or Taj Mahal that I would have little or no doubt that Trump employs illegals.  That's what I'm questioning.  How would one know by looking at someone that they are here illegally?

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Rongone wrote:

The Man wrote:

Rongone wrote:

 
I knew two people that worked there. One was the CFO, and the other was Director of Client Services.

 
But you said that if I've ever visited the Trump Plaza or Taj Mahal that I would have little or no doubt that Trump employs illegals.  That's what I'm questioning.  How would one know by looking at someone that they are here illegally?

 
OK, I guess just 'by looking at someone' wouldn't provide you with proof. I'm speaking from personal experience, information from insiders with knowledge of the hiring process, and speaking to the employees themselves (in Spanish, Tagalog, and French).

 
This is anecdotal.  Lots of hotel employees speak Spanish, and lots of other languages.  My wife is a manager at a hotel, almost all of their employees speak Spanish as their first language, most speak broken English.  Not one is here working illegally.  They're all from Puerto Rico.

The Man wrote:

Rongone wrote:

The Man wrote:

 
But you said that if I've ever visited the Trump Plaza or Taj Mahal that I would have little or no doubt that Trump employs illegals.  That's what I'm questioning.  How would one know by looking at someone that they are here illegally?

 
OK, I guess just 'by looking at someone' wouldn't provide you with proof. I'm speaking from personal experience, information from insiders with knowledge of the hiring process, and speaking to the employees themselves (in Spanish, Tagalog, and French).

 
This is anecdotal.  Lots of hotel employees speak Spanish, and lots of other languages.  My wife is a manager at a hotel, almost all of their employees speak Spanish as their first language, most speak broken English.  Not one is here working illegally.  They're all from Puerto Rico.

 
This is NOT anecdotal. The CFO was part of the hiring process and had to submit monthly payments from payroll accounts to bank accounts set up in the employees' country of origin. The Director of Client Services was responsible for making sure every 'special arrangement' was made for clients known as 'whales' was met. Both individuals confirmed that many 'contracted' or permanent employees of the resorts (food service, room service, maintenance, grounds keeping, etc.) had no or questionable legal employment status in the U.S. That is exactly why Drumpf's claims about illegal aliens taking jobs from American workers does not cut the mustard. His companies knowingly hired undocumented workers in the construction and operation of his properties. If he really wants to stem the tide of undocumented workers in the U.S., he should start by prosecuting employers that hire them. But, he won't do that for obvious selfish reasons.

Rongone wrote:

The Man wrote:

Rongone wrote:

 
OK, I guess just 'by looking at someone' wouldn't provide you with proof. I'm speaking from personal experience, information from insiders with knowledge of the hiring process, and speaking to the employees themselves (in Spanish, Tagalog, and French).

This is anecdotal. Lots of hotel employees speak Spanish, and lots of other languages. My wife is a manager at a hotel, almost all of their employees speak Spanish as their first language, most speak broken English. Not one is here working illegally. They're all from Puerto Rico.

 
This is NOT anecdotal. The CFO was part of the hiring process and had to submit monthly payments from payroll accounts to bank accounts set up in the employees' country of origin. The Director of Client Services was responsible for making sure every 'special arrangement' was made for clients known as 'whales' was met. Both individuals confirmed that many 'contracted' or permanent employees of the resorts (food service, room service, maintenance, grounds keeping, etc.) had no or questionable legal employment status in the U.S. That is exactly why Drumpf's claims about illegal aliens taking jobs from American workers does not cut the mustard. His companies knowingly hired undocumented workers in the construction and operation of his properties. If he really wants to stem the tide of undocumented workers in the U.S., he should start by prosecuting employers that hire them. But, he won't do that for obvious selfish reasons.

Trump in his online positions advocates for Nationwide e-verify. Maybe he should start with his own companies and organizations !